Absolute worst robbery of 2017

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Dec 25, 2017.


Hose job of the year?

  1. Zhuravskiy vs. Danyo

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    9.1%

  2. Keleş vs. Garrido II

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  3. Other/IDKSAB

    24 vote(s)
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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...because Horn vs. Pacquiao wasn't even a top 100 robbery this year. I was attempting to forestall the inevitable flood of partisan trolls and idiots claiming it was the #1 just because it was the most buzzed about or media-covered fight that had the word robbery associated it with it (even though it wasn't in any way shape or form one, let alone the worst of the year in a year where some guys doled out bell to bell ass-kicking shutouts and still officially lost decisions somehow).

    The point wasn't "oh look at me and how much boxing I watch"; it was "since, unless you're CST or somebody like that you probably don't watch more than me, you probably don't a) watch as much or b) have a proven track record or reputation of being objective enough and decent enough at scoring to know the difference between a genuine robbery and just a close fight where the guy you were rooting for happened to lose... or the difference between a 116-112 fight that went the wrong fighter's way and literal plain as day shutouts that go the other way. (or, even more nuanced and difficult for the average casual fan to grasp, the difference between a closely fought and competitive 116-112 in which a couple might have some budge room, and the kind of 116-112 In which the guy that won 8 rounds DOMINATED them...)
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    This one happened about a week ago.

    Conor Benn vs Cedrick Peynaud 6 Rounds @ Welterweight, crazy ass fight, with multiple knockdowns and Benn almost stopped Peynaud in the last round, but he was too far behind on the scorecards to win, but its the UK, so he won anyway.

    Round 1 Peynaud 10-7
    Round 2 Peynaud 10-9
    Round 3 Peynaud 10-9
    Round 4 Peynaud 10-9
    Round 5 Benn 10-8
    Round 6 Benn 10-8

    56-54 Peynaud


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  3. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's not all you were doing though, I don't succumb to groupthink, I'm just not an *** about it
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Viktor Polyakov vs. Stefan Haertel 10 Rounds @ Super Middleweight, IIRC Haertel got tis gift over Polyakov who was coming off of a career best win over De Carolis, tis is an incredibly easy fight to score, clear as day German robbery.


    Round 1 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 2 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 3 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 4 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 5 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 6 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 7 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 8 Polyakov 10-9
    Round 9 Haertel 10-9
    Round 10 Polyakov 10-9

    99-91 Polyakov

    Official scorecards.

    06-04
    96-94
    95-95

    MD for Haertel

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  5. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    This. Most people here watch many more than eight or nine fights in a given calendar year. I pay a way above-average amount of attention to the sport, stream and torrent as many fights as come to my attention/as time allows, go to small hall and leisure centre shows, and I'll admit to not having seen the fights in the OP without a lick of shame. I neglect IRL stuff enough for this sport, I'm not going to feel abashed for having missed a televised ten-rounder in Southampton when I've paid to attend shows in Hull and Doncaster that weren't even televised. :lol:

    You're not going to get the kind of conversation in a public forum that you might get in a WhatsApp group convo with a handful of likemindedly 'nerdy' buds. Better to just put your nomination out there and see what everyone else has to say. You may get some surprises among the expected nominations. And there's nothing wrong with challenging a nomination civilly if you find its credentials debatable.

    The point of a forum is discussion, and 'knowing stuff' can be a lonely place as far as conversation goes. I started a thread about Eddie Alcazar's Tapia film a while back, expecting that many wouldn't have had the chance to see what I was talking about, but hoping that there might be two or three others in the know to make a little conversation on the subject. Alas, no dice. But rather than berate the masses for their ignorance, I tried to encourage the interest of anyone reading. I mean, why would anyone follow up on a recommendation from someone who was branding them a clueless Philistine? :lol:
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The ref robbed Dulorme of the win here, Drakulich docked Dulorme not one but two points, for on the line low blows, yet never deducted a damn thing from Ugas who was pushing and holding the whole fight, for Dulorme to fight valiantly back after being dropped twice, and clearly taking the lead in the fight and managed to dropped Ugas late, and for that mother****er to interject himself that much, with point deductions that actually affected the outcome of the match is deplorable.

    Here's my scorecard.

    Round 1 Dulorme 10-9
    Round 2 Ugas 10-7
    Round 3 Dulorme 10-9
    Round 4 Dulorme 10-9
    Round 5 Ugas 10-9
    Round 6 Dulorme 10-9
    Round 7 Dulorme 9-8 Point deduction on Dulorme, after he dropped Ugas.
    Round 8 Ugas 10-9
    Round 9 Dulorme 10-9
    Round 10 9-9 Even Another Dulorme point deduction.

    93-92 Dulorme

    Without the deductions, it would have been 95-92 Dulorme

    Official scorecards
    94-91
    93-92
    93-92

    UD for Ugas.

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  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    ffs Horn clearly beat Pacman. This is coming form a guy who doesn't like Jeff Pric
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :thumbsup:

    (I still haven't seen Farmer vs. Ogawa, have a feeling I'm going to end up disagreeing with you on that one just based on what I've read about that one and being able to picture how those styles meshed togetether, but fully agree on the others and I'm maybe the biggest Chocolatito fan on here)
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I doubt it, the commentary really threw a lot of people similar to Horn-Pac.

    Mine.

    Round 1 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 2 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 3 Farmer 10-9
    Round 4 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 5 Farmer 10-9
    Round 6 Farmer 10-9
    Round 7 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 8 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 9 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 10 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 11 Ogawa 10-9
    Round 12 Farmer 10-9

    Ogawa 116-112

    Pinoy's Scorecard and comments.

    Round 1: 10-9 Ogawa
    Round 2: 10-9 Farmer
    Round 3: 10-9 Ogawa
    Round 4: 10-9 Ogawa
    Round 5: 10-9 Farmer
    Round 6: 10-9 Farmer
    Round 7: 10-9 Farmer
    Round 8: 10-9 Ogawa
    Round 9: 10-9 Ogawa
    Round 10: 10-9 Farmer
    Round 11: 10-9 Ogawa
    Round 12: 10-9 Farmer

    114-114; No robbery. Horrible commentary on this fight. It was as close as it gets and could've gone either way. No robbery at all.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Marin Joseph Ward vs. Anthony Cacace 12 Rounds @ Super Featherweight, Cacace outboxed and landed the better far cleaner shots throughout the match, clear robbery. Even the rounds Wardy won were near even.


    My scorecard.
    Round 1 Cacace 10-9
    Round 2 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 3 Cacace 10-9
    Round 4 Cacace 10-9
    Round 5 Cacace 10-9
    Round 6 Cacace 10-9
    Round 7 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 8 Cacace 10-9
    Round 9 Cacace 10-9
    Round 10 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 11 Ward 10-9 Close
    Round 12 Cacace 10-9

    116-112 Cacace, could be wider.


    @JordanK2406 Who IMO is one of the better judges on the site. Even though he's young, but so is Pinoy for that matter.

    Here's Jordan's
    Cacace ward
    R1. 10 9
    R2. 9 10
    R3. 10 9
    R4. 10 9
    R5. 10 9
    R6. 10 9
    R7. 10 9
    R8. 10 9
    R9. 10 9
    R10 9 10
    R11 9 10
    R12 10 9
    Cacace 117 - 111 Ward

    Pinoy's
    Round 1: 10-9 Cacace
    Round 2: 10-9 Ward
    Round 3: 10-9 Cacace
    Round 4: 10-9 Ward
    Round 5: 10-9 Ward
    Round 6: 10-9 Cacace
    Round 7: 10-9 Ward
    Round 8: 10-9 Cacace
    Round 9: 10-9 Cacace
    Round 10: 10-9 Ward
    Round 11: 10-9 Ward
    Round 12: 10-9 Cacace

    114-114

    Official scorecards.
    115-114
    116-114
    116-113

    UD for Ward

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  11. navigator

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    For what it's worth, I know of at least one non-partisan fan whose knowledge I respect greatly who swore that Manny was robbed. I disagree with him (it could've gone either way, I feel), but I respect the difference of opinion. The crux of the 'Pac was robbed/Pac wasn't robbed' debate is that some scorers defer fiercely to clean punches above all else - I do, too, ideally, but sometimes there just aren't enough of them in certain rounds to negate another man's hustle and control of the real estate.
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Here's the REAL ROBBERY of 2017.

    Dirrell got KTFO by Uzcategui right at the bell in a fight that he was losing to start with. And it was ruled a DQ win for Dirrell a la the AA fight.:lol:
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  13. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I haven't watched either of those two fights, but for me Hooker vs Perez was the worst.....maybe the worst I've seen ever full stop.

    How do these compare?
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Okay, my glazed Apple Cinnamon Spiral Cut Ham is done!!!!:applaudit:
    (Which is what I've been waiting for while adding to this thread for the last two hours)
     
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  15. navigator

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    I put money on Cacace to win this one, but I wasn't appalled at the outcome. He didn't show enough desire and activity away from home, allowed Ward to make a case for himself by dint of hustle and appearing to want it more. There were a lot of rounds that were open to interpretation. Not a robbery, IMO.

    For what it's worth, that POV is shared by the Belfast Telegraph, who have as good a reason as anyone to disagree with me. :lol:
     
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