Absolutely disgraceful decision.

Says the idiot with an agenda. If all three of you had a wide win for Murray without the second knockdown, then you are clearly needing to rewatch the fight and find out where you went wrong.

 

I agree. It was a really good performance and he did much better than I'd expected. Quite often I felt that Murray was being credited for doing things he wasn't really doing. "GREAT RIGHT HANDS" that Martinez parried or slipped, for example. And Martinez wasn't getting credit for that.

People can score the fight however they wish, but claiming robbery in a tight fight like that is just the usual ESB hissy fit. Murray knew the scores after eight. He also knew the KD didn't count. He didn't step it up enough to win and Martinez had something to do with that as well.

 

I never said we had Murray by a 'wide' decision, I said we all had him him winning clearly, by say 2-3 points, even without the non-counted 'slip'. Please tell me what my agenda is?

 

I wouldn't bother to 'see' it as the other poster does, he's obviously intent on finding 'agendas' without any regard for how effective Sergio was. The forum opinion is equally as invalid, most people who post on the General forum lick windows for a living. Sergio did not land a single meaningful punch outside of the 12th round, but apparently thats enough to keep a title :nut

 

Murray won that but was never going to get the decision. Either way he can look forward to better fighters now as he's proved he's top drawer. I'm going to re read the 1000 plus 'sergios going to systematically beat up Murray' posts!! Hahaha!! Where you all hiding at?

 

Thought Murray sneaked it with just the one kd scored and it would've been a bit clearer with the second. So he was a bit unlucky but also he possibly could've come out of his shell a little more throughout. So partially his own fault as well. Deeply frustrating fight to watch but also very absorbing.

No way was it a robbery though. My view is subjective and I can see why people scored it for SM. Very close.

 

Close fight, It was up for grabs with 2 rounds to go but Murray lost 11 & 12 & he can't have any complaints.

 

Murray could of won it,Martinez was just nicking rounds by not doing much.
Murray should of stepped it up from round 1,the 1st 6 rounds he didn't do much at all,which lost him the fight .

 

Great fight by Murray. People can complain all they want about Martinez being over his prime or having troubles with an injury! Murray made a great fight. If he would have been the champion and home fighter he would have won it. But thats boxing. It was not a robbery still Murray made a grea fight.
He should try to get a Geale fight. He has a serious chance of beating Geale.

 

That's highly subjective. You can have a very good argument for giving him either the 4th or 5th which were both close. Martinez hardly ran away with the first 3 either although he probably took them all.

 

It's always subjective, but I'm simply looking at the judges scorecards - if they feel that Murray didn't convincingly win a round until the sixth, it's entirely reasonable he left himself with a mountain to climb.

He was very negative early on and fairly low-output.

 

Plenty of people are overstating how effective Murray was, you included, Paulie. It's gone completely the other direction - most picking for Martinez felt it was close. The Murray crew are making out he absolutely controlled the fight, which he didn't.

 

Are you 12?

 

I haven't seen the judges' scorecards but thought that HBO said that after 4, two of them had Martinez up 3 rounds to 1.

Murray was negative early on but to be honest, I think they were useful tactics and set up his work later on. The last thing he wanted to do was open himself up early to Sergio's counters and I think he did a good job behind his jab when he threw it. The man himself is not crying robbery so I think he realises that if he wanted to take a decision in Argentina, he had to assert himself more in the earlier tighter rounds.

But objectively looking at it, I think he has a very good claim for winning the fight. Once again, not one you can call a robbery. He certainly didn't "batter" him like the OP says