According to a certain poster, all of these fighters are faster than Roy.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Sweet Pea, Jan 27, 2008.


  1. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    That much is obvious. I was arguing that it is not as favorable as you guys seem to think, if you believe it has so much bearing that someone like Joe Louis could be considered P4P faster than Jones. Nobody could argue that point effectively.

    Ali's speed at times impressed me, Jones's speed always did. Tyson's speed impressed me always. Ali had better movement, Tyson better handspeed. Jones had better movement than Tyson, and better handspeed than Ali. I consider him the overall faster fighter than either.

    Jones, while past his best weight and slower than at his best, at HW, was still faster than Ali. Ali, in his prime at HW, was not even that fast. Jones in his prime at his prime weight, was faster than at HW. Therefore, going by both at their prime weights, I consider Jones faster. Easily.

    But whatever, I am done with this argument.
     
  2. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Your post started off alright, then you drifed back into comparing a SMW's speed with a HW. But who cares, handspeed isn't measurable, it's subjective. I think Ali was faster P4P, you don't, good for you. One things for sure though, Ali would destroy Roy Jones, P4P or otherwise.

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  3. Sweet Pea

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    P4P, I'd pick Jones over Ali. Ali didn't have the power to hurt him nor the speed to catch him as often. Ali was much more susceptible to being caught clean than a prime Jones, who was rarely ever caught flush. Jones by Decision P4P. Though P4P matchups are even harder to decipher than P4P speed.
     
  4. Jbuz

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    :lol:

    Ali didn't have the power to hurt Foreman either. Nor Liston. Nor Bonavena. Oh wait, he KO'd them all. Yeah, Ali wasn't fast enough to catch him. :rofl

    Now I'm really gonna ignore you.
     
  5. Imperial1

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    I think its time for you to leave because its clear that you are confusing Power with Speed ..If you polled most boxing historians with regards to handspeed the last person most people would refrence would be the Brown Bomber !!

    But I wonder where did he get that nick name from ??Last I checked it was not because of hand speed !!! Paid to teach this you would have to volunteer your time because I don't know a soul who would pay you with this logic ,but then again your would probably be fired !!

    I'm sure in your world Louis is faster than Roy Jones P4P but in the real world no one really beleives that ..If they fought head to head ,Louis Ko's Jones everytime based on ready for this I will spell it out for you ...............P.O.W.E.R ...That my friend does not make him faster !


    And maybe what you think P4P is differs from what I think it is because imo it was meant for the fighter who had all the intangibles while moving up in weight speed ,power ,stamina ,foot work chin etc ..Louis had maybe 3 of those intangibles but P4P wise no one ever considered him that high ..Maybe its time for you to leave this thread and go to a quiet corner !
     
  6. Jbuz

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    :shock: :rofl :rofl

    He would be one of the first!
     
  7. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its hilarious or scary, I don't know. Like one of those dark comedies. I tell myself to stay away from this section but I stray back sometimes:patsch. Most of the time their entire posts are wrong. If lucky, they might get something right but then screw it up.
     
  8. Imperial1

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    In th hand speed dept over the likes :

    Taylor ,Jones,Leonard ??Really what planet do u live on ??

    If you narrow it down to just heavies then yes but over all I don't know anyone who would think Louis was faster than these guys I don't know to many people who think he was fatser than Alli !! yeah that was funny !!Thanks for the laugh !
     
  9. Mega Lamps

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    I already showed you one article of proof, I could show much more but I'm guessing you won't listen either way.:bart
     
  10. Sweet Pea

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    He beat Foreman because Foreman wore himself out, that much is obvious, and known to all who have a clue about boxing(but then, look who I'm talking to). Liston? Are you serious? I figured most knew about Foreman, but the fact that you make the second fight with Liston sound legit shows me you aren't just a mentally slow, but mis-informed as well. Bonavena? Who gives a ****? Since when were any of them fast in the first place? The fact that you compare any of them to Jones speed-wise shows your stupidity AGAIN! Or I guess you think Foreman was "P4P" faster than Jones. :nut

    You really are the definition of a simpleton. That means un-intelligent person in case you were unable to figure it out. Un-intelligent means "not smart" also. :good
     
  11. Imperial1

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    No what you showed me was that you confused power with speed ..Hey if your talking just heavies I would be inclined to agree with you, but boxing as a whole there are too many examples of fighters with fatser hands at lower weights ..Thats it ..I can agree to disagree ..
     
  12. Mega Lamps

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    Foreman stated that Ali hit him very hard and even put him in the category of the hardest hitters he ever faced.
     
  13. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    If you are speaking about general forum posters as a whole, your overshooting your bounds because there are knowledgable posters here. I certainly dont consider myself an expert on boxing, and know that the classic forum has some guys who know their ****, but your post wouldn't be an accurate assesment of my boxing IQ and that applies so other posters here too.
     
  14. Jbuz

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    Are you telling me Foreman was never hurt against Ali? Look at him stumbling all over the place in round 5, after Ali lands a few flush right hands. Liston wasn't hurt in the second fight, but he was definately stunned a few times in the first fight, in rounds 3 and 6. Bonavena was never stopped, and had an iron jaw, but Ali KO'd him. That's the point, if you knew anything about boxing you would know this. The point of those three examples, was that they each have an iron jaw, and Ali was able to hurt them, and KO all 3 of them. Jones had a poor chin, therefore Ali would have no trouble hurting him, unlike what you suggested. I mean really.... Tarver and Johnson? :lol:

    No, I am almost finished a double degree at one of the best universities in the country, and have a job doing finance for the biggest company in the world. If I'm unintelligent... you are a ****ing tree stump.
     
  15. Mega Lamps

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    No no no, just these two certain indviduals at the moment. I have not seen your posts yet besides this one, but I'm sure I'll come across them at some point but it already seems you know your stuff. I was just putting those two down because they bite off more then they can chew and don't know what they're talking about sometimes.