According to Holyfield who was better: Bowe or Lewis?

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  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Holyfield is saying he stepped up to face Lewis where as Bowe and Tyson didn't. UNDERSTAND?????????
     
  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think the text reads something like,

    'Even before his shocking loss in Tokyo, Ai said of Tyson privately, his head movement is predicatble, his hands are fas but mine were faster and my footwork was better than his. To beat him you need a good 1-2, a good right hand and you have to be able to take a shot if he catches you '

    Something like that.
     
  3. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rooney: Even with Mike at his best, I'd pick Ali to beat him. But if his head was screwed on right, we could make it close, but he'd still lose 8-4 on the cards, even if it means jabbing at Alis chest.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :thumbsup

    The timing never made perfect sense on that one until around the time it actually happened. It could have perhaps been a little earlier, when Lennox and Evander struggled respectively against Bean and Makrovic, but your timeline seems accurate by my recollection.
     
  5. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tyson beats Ali. Ali lost to Frazier and had a hell of a time with Bonavena.

    Tyson beats either in 3 rounds.

    I know circular logic doesn't always work in boxing, but Frazier, for all his ability was a short, skinny, short-reached, one-armed, one-eyed fighter.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    This article in April 1994 says both Holyfield and Lewis had agreed to unify their titles in Nov 1994. Of course Holyfield lost to Moorer the following month and Lewis lost his title a few months after that.

    So while true the timing never seemed right for them to meet, both did agree to fight. This was agreed only 5 months after Holyfield had regained the title so it's clear he wasn't ever afraid of Lewis and Lewis agreed to the opportunity as soon as he had a chance as he had been frozen out by Bowe and Newman when they had the title, so he also had no fear of Holyfield.

    Neither fighter really ever showed any fear during their career, both always looked for the best opponents, it's just Holyfield got the opportunities that Lewis didn't due to Holyfield being more open to working with King and being seen mistakenly as an easy opponent by Bowe and Newman.

    And yes the fight could have happened earlier than it did, due to Holyfield holding out for more money in 98, having previously agreed on a smaller purse, which may not have done him any favours as a declining older champion but I can understand the rationale as boxing is a business and even warriors like Evander want to be paid what they are worth.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/16/sports/boxing-holyfield-lewis-set-bigger-bouts-later.html
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it's telling that Holyfield decided he could trade more with Bowe than he did with Lewis, maybe he was older and wiser but I believe he knew Lennox could hit harder. Their second fight is underrated IMO, both went at it pretty good on occasions.
     
  8. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    :good

    I do remember him saying that. Ali also picked Spinks to beat Tyson, just thought I'd add that.

    And to Unforgiven, who stated only a few crackpot fans on ESB pick Tyson over Ali... the well respected Stonehands has picked Tyson to beat Ali.