According to the normal distribution of height (mean = 5'8"), why didn´t the 6'2" HWs dominate 50s?

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  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The human height is normal distributed, which tells that the highest number of people have an avarage height (which today is about 5'10" to 5'11" for men) and less people are shorter or taller than that.
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    But it wasn´t always like that. Men who were born about 100 years ago, reached a mean of 5'8" by the age of 19/20. You may check the data here:
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    Keep in mind that this graph is about the time they were born, so subtract 20-40 years while checking (boxers of 50s are born at ≈ 1920/30).

    In todays HW boxing, a mean of 5'10.5" leads to dominating HW boxers of 6'3"-6"4" or higher and barely under that height. which is what you would expect.
    For a mean of 5'7" in 1930s, that HW scene was dominated by boxers over 6'1", which is perfectly fine.
    Interestingly, that didn´t work for the 50s. At least it looks like the fellows where a little shorter, but not that much lighter than in the 30s (avarage weight was some pounds less in the 50s).

    I don´t want this to become a Marciano Thread.
    Was there a major irregularity due to WW2, poverty and bad nutrition of the 20s etc., or are some of the taller fighters of the 50s overlooked?
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    What was childhood nutrition and illness like in The Great Depression? What were birth rates like 20-30 years before the 50s?
     
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely, its also a question of "how many?".
     
  4. Bah Lance

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    Marciano KOs Lewis in 6.
     
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  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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  6. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because a 5'10 Heavyweight was greater than most 6 ft heavys before or since. Another idiot thread. This will be a dumbass year.
     
  7. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd say nutrition is the biggest factor along with genetics (obviously) to determine height these days. Access to western nutrition and consumption of certain food products seems to accelerate growth. Taller people in the past seemed to be lanky, unathletic, and uncoordinated... Today you'll see athletic guys over 6'2".

    I also feel like within the past 10 years or so the newer generations are averaging at least 6' in Western nations. Im about 6' and I feel barely average around 20 year olds. You'll also notice that taller older guys are lanky and skinny compared to younger guys their height who are well built and well proportioned
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But not with an uppercut right?
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Down the goggles and whoosh :tmnt: back to superstitious slimy subsurface medieval Goblin town !!

    Humans of the earth & science, back to topic please.
     
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  10. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think that the boxing talent pool was significantly bigger in the 30s than it was in the 50s.

    That might have resulted in more decent big heavyweights, counteracting the natural trend.
     
  11. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    This is a highly interesting thread. I am going to have to give it some serious thoughts before adding my opinion.
     
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  12. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's worth noting that the vacant heavyweight world title in 1956 was contested by an OLD MAN (born 1913 or 1916) who was a light-heavyweight (a middleweight in his prime), and a young man (born 1935) who was probably still bulking himself out of those lower classes and was never much more than a light-heavy.
    Were these really the two best "heavyweights" in the whole world at that time ?
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    I think Archie Moore is relevant to this thread.
    Not only was a fighter "from the previous era", he was also a small guy who eliminated some of the 6'2 and 6'3 men of the next generation. Which suggests a dip in quality of the average heavyweight from the pre-ww2 days.
     
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  14. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More likely and reasonable, Archie Moore was a bad mother****er. That's like saying there was a huge quality dip at welterweight in 1980 because Duran was champion as a smaller man.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Bob Baker, born 1926.
    Coley Wallace, born 1927.
    These are the generation who should have been dominating the early-mid-1950s, if being 210 pounds and 6'3 is a clear advantage on being 188 and 5'11 or whatever ....




    And, let's be honest here, Baker is no Cassius Clay but he doesn't look worse than the Ernie Terrells, Cleveland Williams types, nevermind the likes of Amos Lincoln and Buster Mathis Jr. who were around through the 1960s.

    Perhaps the likes of Marciano and Moore were freaks of nature, as was Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali in the next decade.
     
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