Active fighters who have defeated an ATG

At 160, yeah. Kovalev beat an atg middle. But you still haven't answered the question. Do you believe Bernard Hopkins is an atg lightheavy, yes or no?

 

Togo over Donaire 👍

 

All I wrote is that Hopkins is not an atg lightheavy due to the facts, i.e. his record, competition there. We all know his status at 160. Simple question. Do you believe Hopkins is an atg at 175, yes or no?

 

Fairly certain Barrera, Marquez, Morales and Oscar are defo top 30s.
Some ppl think of only the top 10s, but Babe Ruth is no longer the Goat hitter, Payton the Goat RB, etc, don't make em no longer ATGs.
Same for boxing.

Ali Probably wouldn't beat Usyk, prime vs a relative novice.

Doesn't make Usyk an ATG, but doesn't take Ali off the list either.

Once your generally accepted as a fighter/player that would h2h be RIGHT THERE with the sports best, a man might be pushed all the way down to #100 in his class, but history will always remember him as a GREAT.
The HOF is reserved for fighters who made huge waves in their own time, but don't generally appreciate as time passes.

For instance, Lennox Lewis.
When he couldn't comprehensively beat 40ish Evan Fields, most considered him HOF worthy, but not top 10 ATG.
When he hung with prime Vitali for 6 rds, even won, most cursed him for retiring.
However, looking back, historically, you can't keep Lewis lower than top 3, atm.

In another 20 yrs, he'll probably be the consensus GOAT.

Cotto, had he made the fight with GGG, and simply gave a good account of himself, surviving the distance, would likely be considered a top 50 ATG p4p.
But, he chose to run, and history will not recognize what he did at MW and they'll look back at his LMW career and see only Margarito.

 

So THATS how you avoid a question you can't honestly answer. No, I'm not. But obviously you are avoiding my simple question and simply refuse to answer. It was simply nice exposing you.

 

Lennox is absolutely top 3 heavy. But the goat does not get ktfo by Rahman and stopped by McCall.

 

:hi: Hans

 

Well, arrogance cost many ATGs their Ls.
Joe Frazier wouldn't last 5 rds with Lennox, 3 with Wlad or 40 seconds with prime Vitali

 

Who wrote that Joe Frazier will probably be the consensus atg in 20 years? The comparison isn't really valid.