Actually watching Douglas-Tyson for the first time in a long time..

Totally agree, Buster took alot away from Tyson that night, he braught the fight outside alot and was SO quick and accurate to counter and keep Mike at bay, but Tyson def looked lethargic to me, he showed glimpses when it suited, but a combination of things happened, Buster faught like a an ATG and Tyson was off.

 

He was amazing that night

 

imo that douglas, that night, could have quite possiblly beaten almost any HW.

 

That's ridiculous, and so were parts of your first post to be quite honest, given how poor Tyson did actually look regarding his head movement and overall technique at this stage.

That Douglas would still beat Johnson though, but not the other two.

 

First time i watched it,it shock the heel out of me i was like how the hell did tyson lose.

 

Could prime Bowe have "Bustered" Tyson? Since he was just a bigger and better version of Douglas....

 

Earl, you've done an exellent job of breaking this fight down.

As you've said, Tyson was showing everything you said, headmovement, and the such.

I hear all kinds of excuses on Tyson's behalf that he was out of shape, that he did'nt do this or that.....
.....all exactly the same kind of excuses that arose again when Evander Holyfield stopped Tyson twice.

I've rewatched all these fights over the years, and yes, Tyson's headmovement was there and especially in the early rounds.
......but what is a fighter to do, when he exhibits the same movements that he's done all through his career that resulted in sucess, and then now he's getting timed and tagged repeatedly with or without the headmovement?

Yes, the further along the fight evolved with Douglas, the less headmovement exhibited by Tyson, but thats because one, Tyson is probably figuring, why am I wasting my energy with headmovement when I'm getting clocked regardless???
.....and two, that was a shellaking that Tyson was taking from Douglas, of course he's not going to be as energetic of precise with his headmovment, or any movement for that matter.


If Tyson had an off night due to taking Douglas lightly, it really does'nt matter imo how lightly or how seriously Tyson would taken Douglas.
Douglas showed complete domination in every area over Tyson that there is no reason to believe that any version of Tyson that may have showed up would have made much of a difference.

Douglas over Tyson was as a complete a beatdown and domination of a fighter as highly regarded as Tyson was in those days that I've ever seen.

Nothing that Tyson could have changed would have mattered, that fight was a complete mismatch!
Douglas was supreme that night!

 

Gotta agree with a lot here.Buster brought that perfomance from down under and made it stick.Thing I always notice everytime I watch this fight...from the get-go Buster lays some hard shots on Mike...his outside game was sweet...countering quick and beautifully everytime Mike tried to lunge in..made him miss a lot.

IMO....two scenarios....1.Mike was not as quick as his usual self with his attacks....not crisp enough...add the fact that Buster was very quick with his hands and feet from the outside...2.Might sound strange,but even if Mike was on his A-game,he probably would have been laid oout quicker if he did'nt get to Buster first...

Either way...a perfomance for the ages by Buster that night.

 

What is amazing to me is that Douglas lost his Mother shortly before this fight, and STILL won by KO:good i LOVED THIS FIGHT!! I was hoping Douglas would KO HIM i never liked Tyson:-(
Douglas had a short reign he was KTFO just 7 months later by a 208 lb Holyfield,

 

well king was tryign to change it to a diqualification or a n/c for tyson.
due to the slow count and that it was in japan a place not known for a powerful boxing law backbone to stand up and say no to don king.

but a few union of boxing commision officials were on hand it seems.


anyways peopel seem to think it was the jab that got tyson in this fight. it was more his workrate and combo's very similar to what evander did to tyson. a good inside game with a jab - cross when the goign got tough.

 

Tyson was to busy having orgies with japanese bitches to worry about Buster, as Tyson put it. Tyson wasnt a 100% that night, not physically, and certainly not mentally. His trainer was gone, his life was a mess, and wasnt prepared for a guy like Buster that night. If it was 85-88, Tyson would of layed Buster out in less than 6, but for one night Buster shocked the world with heart, toughness, and determination, and was able to stand up to the bully and win the hearts of millions of people, by knocking out the baddest man the planet that night.

 

:yikes :yikes

 

:happy

 

Bowe didn't fight like Douglas.

Douglas outboxed Tyson from the outside, using his jab, right hand leads, and mixing in uppercuts. He clinched a lot on the inside. Bowe didn't clinch, his instinct was to brawl. He didn't use his height and reach like he should have, because he preferred to get inside and punish guys with short uppercuts on the inside and mixing in those body shots.

It's easy to see Bowe beating Tyson, given his terrific uppercut and infighting ability (and Tyson's suspectibilty to uppercuts), but it's also easy to see Bowe getting taken out. Bowe's defense was ****. He took a good shot, but against the biggest punchers he faced (Hide, Golota), he was hurt numerous times.