Adam Smith: "Fury one of the greatest of all-time"

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  1. Hankey89

    Hankey89 Member Full Member

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    This is the problem though, I dont think AJ is a great boxer. But he did beat a comparable Wlad to Fury.

    So considering Usyk easily beat AJ, what has Fury fone to prove he is an all time great. He has 2 names on his record, Wlad who the dosser managed to ko, and wilder who is a shocking boxer
     
  2. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "he did beat a comparable Wlad to Fury" - do you mean a comparatively better Klitschko? Well, he really didn't. He beat an older, inactive Klitschko who was gassing after 6 rounds. It's obvious to a blind man that Klitschko looked a lot better because he had a stiff, one dimensional gasser in front of him. He didn't have that liberty against the sensational Fury.

    This is where people tie themselves in knots talking about names on records. Fury has 4 top level wins. Joshua's best win is Fury's sloppy seconds and he has no other top level wins. David Haye was Klitschko's marquee win, so where does that leave him?

    As it stands, it appears that Fury is another league to Joshua and Klitschko. Klitschko has become ludicrously overrated in recent years as fanboys use his name as a pawn to push their agenda. The guy got butchered by 3 mediocre opponents, and then got beat by Fury and Joshua, and in the middle of it beat up a bunch of no-hopers. There's not a chance on this earth that Fury would lose to any of the names Klitschko beat - Mormeck, Chagaev, Brock, Leapai, old Rahman, cheated a win vs Povetkin, Thompson, Pianeta, Jennings, Pudding Pulev, Chambers, Austin and whoever else.
     
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  3. Hankey89

    Hankey89 Member Full Member

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    Wilder is no better than the likes of Dillion Whyte. So I am curious to see who Fury 4 top level wins are.
     
  4. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've got you sussed, @Mitch87
     
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  5. Hankey89

    Hankey89 Member Full Member

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    I think a motivate Furyis comfortably the best heavyweight boxer today going off eye test.

    But I am talking about his resume. His wins arent as good as Joshua. He has Wlad and Wilder. Joshua has Wlad, then Whyte, Ruiz, parker etc who would all have a good chance of beating Wilder

    If anyone thinks Deontay Wilder is an elite heavyweight, they dont know chit about boxing.

    There are at least 7-8 boxers who beat Wilder.
     
  6. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor Full Member

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    You forget Wilder beat up an Olympic Gold Medalist, Alfredo Morales (now Rangers FC) and tough teak Mexican Daniel Cota
     
  7. sniffmybadger

    sniffmybadger Handsome Beef Cake Full Member

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    it's turning a bit "General forum" on here lol
     
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  8. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whyte, Rice Pudding Jr and Paint Dry....

    So...

    1) Klitschko - unbeaten for 10 years and in Germany. Big underdog.
    2) Wilder - unbeaten in career, multiple year reign and in USA. Big underdog.
    3) Wilder - again. In USA.Underdog.
    4) Wilder - all time great bout. In USA. Beat Wilder in 3 different ways.
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    5) Chisora - took his 0 and they were evenly matched at the time - Fury the underdog.
    6) Chisora - Made him look silly, must be the only time in his career.
    7) Cunningham - is 2x Cruiserweight champion worse than the likes of Molina, Breazeale, Takam, Martin, Pulev, Parker, Whyte?


    Joshua has:

    1) Klitschko - coming off a loss to... Fury. Inactive for the first time in his career. 41 years old. Last bout. Gassing out. In Wembley - went life and death and beat him. Had the comfort that the cards were rigged in his favour.
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    2) Povetkin - old, had just been dropped by British level David Price. Never a world champion, but a very good boxer in his prime.
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    3) Whyte - Green, out of shape, injured.
    4) Paint Dry - less the said about this bout the better. Not a single person will go back and watch that in ten years.
    5) Ruiz - fringe contender, apparently became a legend only after he battered Joshua. Was then dropped by formerly retired and shot to pieces Arreola.
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    6) Pudding Pulev - Ancient and useless. Looked silly in there.

    4 bouts that will be revisited in 20 years vs 1. And away from home. And as the underdog.

    It's not even close. This myth is hilarious.
     
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  9. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor Full Member

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    More like an HR Department sifting through all those CVs.

    HR Director for the British Forum is @Mitch87
     
  10. Virtua

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    Oh man, some child with a wojak avatar made an account here. I guess nowhere is safe.
    He is absolutely not one of the greatest of all time. Arguably the best current HW along with Usyk, but his resume would need more depth to qualify as one of the greatest, even if he is given the benefit of the doubt with regard to the "eye-test" (which I don't put too much stock in).
     
  11. Hankey89

    Hankey89 Member Full Member

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    Fury boozing and taking drugs for 3 years, looking like a fat mess and Wilder therefore being favourite in their first fight, doesn't somehow make Wilder an elite heavyweight.

    Tony Bellew was calling Fury out before that fight due to his inactivity and lifestyle.
     
  12. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whats your point caller?

    Boxers call out each other all the time...generates some noise.
    Safins taken you to the cleaners here son......
     
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  13. Hankey89

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    My point was that Bellew himself said he could never beat a healthy Fury, but he thought he was fat and finished.

    That's the only reason Fury was seen as an underdog versus wilder. Not because wilder is some great boxer.

    Which bit is difficult to understand?
     
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  14. alpo1

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    While brother usyk and the stiff dosser were training like maniacs, taking "supplements" and living the life, fury was snorting coke, probably smoking, getting pissed, going on benders where he randomly ended up on different continents and eating junk until he was >400 lbs.

    But bearing that in mind, he still most likely beats both of them. That is simply amazing.

    Ali's hiatus and Mike Tyson's jail sentence are nothing in comparison.
     
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  15. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder sparks out Dillian Whyte within six rounds.
     
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