Adam Smith: "Fury one of the greatest of all-time"

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Safin, Oct 12, 2021.


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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You apparently either did not read my post or chose not to understand it.

    Due to boxing politics, there is a good chance that these to never fight.

    As for why Whyte, Ruiz, etc. it is traditional to have a good overall body of work to be considered great. If he can't get Usyk, then he should generate a good body of work.
     
    catchwtboxing, Oct 20, 2021
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  2. Gomo

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    Because he beat the guy who had the best resume in the division.

    Not saying that Usyk can't beat by whoever you
    You've just said he beat klitschko to prove furys greatness then completely contradict yourself by saying klitschko beat nobody and wasn't the man after all.

    Which is it ?

    Lol I love how people like to twist narratives to suit their own agenda and talk so much rubbish it comes back to bite them.

    AJ was the man, best resume by far. Usyk beat him so becomes number 1 . It's really simple stuff.

    I actually think Joyce can beat them all but it doesn't make him number 1 anymore than if you reckon fury is.

    Infact Joe Joyce has beat guys that would beat wilder imo but what does it matter, facts are facts and speculation is just that.

    Fury is number one because I reckon he is, yeh great logic.
     
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  3. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Not really. Klitschko can have a totally overrated record, but he can still be the best in the division. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to comprehend - it's fairly simple.

    Joshua was the man, despite losing emphatically to a morbidly obese midget Rice Pudding Jr only a couple of years ago, and having only one 50-50 bout on his entire record against Fury's leftovers in a 41 year old, inactive Klitschko at Wembley, who was retiring. His best win is literally someone Fury already beat, in Germany, convincingly without much hassle, yet Joshua went life and death with a much weaker version in a more favourable environment.

    Beating puddings like Martin, Molina, Breazeale and Takam are completely useless when weighing up a record - they are **** poor, so let's forget about them.

    Paint Dry Parker - he held a WBO belt that was relinquished by Fury. Hyped up at one point. The guy has turned out to be a pudding, who couldn't even wobble Rice Pudding Jr, Tickling Takam or the legendary Cojanu. He thereafter lost to Whyte, who is apparently British level according to the forum and he went life and death with Chisora - who was actually able to hit him, unlike Joshua. More importantly, his bout against Joshua was an utter stinker of the highest level - it's more of a skidmark on his record than a feather in his cap.

    Rice Pudding Jr - a record must be weighed up with wins and losses. He got obliterated by this pudding. That's an enormous skidmark that can never be expunged from his record. Anyway, he circled the ring against an even fattier Pudding than the one that battered him, and practically won by default. How big is this win? This is the guy that had lost to Paint Dry Parker and could not even stun the likes of a shot Liakhovich or British level (if applicable) Zumbano Love, or Franklin Lawrence.

    Pudding Pulev - Old, short and hopeless. Stood there like Tong Po in the middle of the ring with his hands up and feed stuck in cement. Overrated to the highest degree. Fury would sleepwalk his way to victory, or batter this guy in a few rounds if he really wanted to.

    Whyte - However high you rate Whyte, this was not a very good version of Whyte. Out of shape, injured and inexperienced. He still managed to make Joshua do a funny dance. A bout worthy of the British title.

    Povetkin - Old, and had just been dropped by David Price. Povetkin, although a good boxer, never a world champion. People talk about Povetkin as if he's a hall of famer.

    You are telling me that these 5 victories, plus a victory against Klitschko (within the context explained), override Fury's 4 wins on away soil against top class opposition? :risas3:

    Even Fury's 2 wins against Chisora are better than the Rice Pudding Jr win at the very least, and certainly better than wins of Tickling Takam, Molina, Breazeale and Martin. I would say that Fury's win against Cunningham, again on away soil, is better than some of these stinkers. His win against Wallin is also better than most of these wins. :risas3:
     
    Safin, Oct 22, 2021
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  4. Journey Man

    Journey Man Journeyman always. Full Member

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    Sorry if my point wasn’t clear (I thought it was but clearly not.) I am saying a string of defences isn’t required to make Fury number one as defences can be meaningless - Klitschko had some very good wins such as unbeaten Pulev and Povetkin, plus wins over Haye and Chagaev. He was clearly the man and had been.

    AJs initial IBF defences were very poor. He won the vacant WBA title against Klitschko (coming off a loss and almost 2 year layoff so far that he wasn’t even ranked anymore) and the WBO against Parker who has dropped further down the rankings since. You want to throw meaningful defences into the mix to make AJ the man but truth is he’s never beaten number 1 in the division - Fury has twice.

    Put it in plain speak, so you will understand - you are saying AJ was number 1 and now Usyk is because he beat him. It is simple stuff, if you were right about AJ being number 1. He wasn’t though. Fury initially beat Klitschko - who was undisputedly number 1, which then made Fury undisputedly number 1. Fury had his layoff, and there were two top heavyweights - AJ and Wilder. There was debate about who was number 1 but after AJ lost to Ruiz, division consensus was then Wilder was number 1. This was shared by Ring Magazine - who allowed Wilder and Fury to contest the belt which is generally given to number 1 in the division - almost always. Therefore Fury is number 1. Again. Usyk is number 2. Argue amongst yourselves as to where Wilder and AJ rank in the top 5.

    Also, just to take a step back to your stupid comments. “I love how people like to twist narratives to suit their own agenda and talk so much rubbish it comes back to bite them.”

    You’re essentially saying Fury has to make defences to prove his greatness ‘ number 1 ranking. Why doesn’t Usyk have to defend his titles? Do you see how your argument doesn’t stack up? The fact you brought Joe Joyce into shows how idiotic you are - saying Joyce has the same claim to being number 1 as Fury - clearly when one is WBC, Ring and Lineal champion and the other is a contender. You must be really numb or blinded by your opinion you can’t see logic.
     
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  5. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Exactly. The guy has shot himself in the foot in the most comical and blatant of ways.
     
    Safin, Oct 22, 2021
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