Adamek has a place in the heavies

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  1. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    The critics are out declaring that Golota is shot and the win means nothing. I say bullocks. Golota is in his forties, out of shape, mentally broken in any number of fights and physically broken by a car accident and fights many years ago, but he is also big, experienced at the top, and a puncher.

    Most of the premier heavies, outside of the Klits, are smallish, oldish, or flat out not talented. So I say the Golota win is a good gauge. All adamek had to do is prove that his chin and power carried up somewhat, and by taking Golota's hook in the 3rd and stopping the man, he did so.

    Minus the Kilts, Boxrec's best:

    David Haye- a former cruiser himself with undeniable power but a history of chin and stamina problems at cruiser, earned his questionable bones with a stoppage over former contender Monte Barret, a powerless figher recently stopped by Cliff Couser. This would be a top rate cruiser fight carried up.

    Nikolay Valuev- barely but questionably beat all time great but oftened and easily bested 46 year old and totally shot former cruiser Evander Holyfield. Someone lacked confidence in his ability against Chagaev and got their second fight cancelled.

    Ruslan Chagaev- Amatuer legend with an ABC title win against Valuev, is smallish himself (six foot), and has looked dramatically unimpressive in recent wins, losses, and cancellations due to hepititis, blindness, numbness, etc. Seems to have been tentative and shot even in his earliest proffesional fights.

    Eddie Chambers- man looks great, but is clearly a blown up cruiser himself.

    Alexander Povietkin- great fighter, as proven by his amatuer wins and meteoric heavyweight rise, but what is up with the man? Has fought infrequently in the last couple of years, looked to be performing below capacity in the Estrada fight, lost the first few rounds of the Chambers fight, and someone is steering him away from big punchers. At his best at 219- not much above Adamek's heavyweight fighting weight, is now fighting at closer to 230 which is a disadvantage.

    Some other fighters in Boxrec's top 20:

    Juan Carlos Gomez- natural crusier himself

    Chris Arreola- a natural hard punching heavy, can he get in shape? Is he that talented in the first place?

    Sam Peter- we can write a novel about his shortcomings in height, dedication/weight, and technique. Even his vaunted power seems overrated.

    Alex Dimentrenko- recently beat by Chambers, another natural cruiser without Adamek's power.

    Solis- fate guy with fixed fights .

    Maskaev- worst chin in the thop 50. Old.

    Pianeta, Rahmen, Austin- where is the big threat here?

    Adamek is clearly a fine entry into the heavies. Not saying he could beat all of these guys, but he could beat many or most of them.
     
  2. M.Alexander

    M.Alexander Tough Mofo Full Member

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    I give a **** about Adamek at HW until he beats a trained HW in his prime. A win over this version of Golota means NOTHING. As simple as that.
     
  3. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Please see above. SPECIFICALLY, what "trained" heavy in his prime would excite you, and even so, why would it not excite you that he would have a fine chance against the other nine?

    Specifics here. Other than the Klis, who do you see beating him?
     
  4. Medicine

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    Ray Austin(the guy Wlad beat with one hand) KO'd Golata in one round. Matter of fact it seems like evrybody Ko's golata in one round.

    Adamek might do ok at heavy, we will have to see.
     
  5. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Because golota broke his arm.

    Again, Austin is now a top ten guy, so why does this vicotry not entail Adamek's success in the division?
     
  6. Medicine

    Medicine Boxing Addict banned

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    I believe this victory does put him in the top 10 heavies.

    Problem is though, being a top 10 heavy dosen't mean **** now a days. There still isn't one guy who can actually beat or even put up a good fight with klitschko. I wouldn't mind seeing Adamek get a crack at.....He had a granite chin and great power at cruiser....if he carried it up to heavy then we might just have a good fight on are hands.
     
  7. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well, we agree here. But the WBA belt is still there and Vitklit is by all reports retiriing soon. My point is that when you talk about the best of the rest, Adamek would ge right up there in the top 3-4.
     
  8. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with this thread. Adamek's win last night was at least as impressive as David Haye's win over Barrett, and look what Haye got out of it! It doesn't take a whole lot to be rated among the top-10 heavies right now, and like the threadstarter mentioned, outside of the Klit's most if not all of the top-rated HW's are not that huge and/or dangerous that Adamek would just be completely out of his depth fighting them.

    I think Adamek is just another example of the fact that 210-220 pound and 6"3 or less heavyweights can still be a force in today's divion of monster-sized but slow and ponderous HW's.

    Chris Byrd was succesful for years, Chagaev and Ibragimov won titles, and now guys like Chambers, Povetkin, Haye and Adamek are making noise.

    I would also like to mention that these smaller HW's make for a helluva lot more entertaining fights in general.
     
  9. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Adamek has the skills to be a good heavyweight....however, I would pick haye to beat adamek....if haye doesnt focus so much on the KO, he is a good-counter puncher and fast....

    I would like to see him against boytsov
     
  10. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    Let me admit that this is an example of biased that I left Boytsov out of the equation. I think Boyytsov is future with his fast hands, power and boxing ability. However, he is another smallish heavy and has an unproven chin, so he is easily someone that Adamek would have a clear chancea at beating, just like the others mentioned.
     
  11. andyZOR

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    He didnt break his arm but he did severely injure it.

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  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Let Adamek fight 4-5 top 25 HWs, then we talk. He can try taking on guys like Gomez, Thompson, Minto, Toney, Arreola.

    Let him beat a bunch of those guys and I will give Adamek all the respect he deserves at HW. Until then, he's just a skinny CW who beat up a washed up street thug who's claim to fame is squashing the balls of a fat Bowe.