Adamek was a better cruiser than haye

not the holyfield of yesteryear.....we talkin bout the cunningham of now.

cobbler... blueberry cobbler...any day.

 

From objective point of view adameks Cw resume is better than haye's but that doesnt necessarily mean whos the better fighter of the two.

 

one word "undisputed".

 

I think the majority see it as a 50-50

Adamek should beat Arreola pretty comfortably, unless Arreola comes into the fight in shape then it could be a tough one.

I wouldn't want to see Haye/Adamek fight yet anyway, I'd rather then both have a shot at a Klit each.

 

areola coming into a fight "in shape" ...hah... i would bet against that.

 

This is a really poor attempt at a windup thread.
What the **** did Johnathan Banks ever achieve at cruiser to be regarded as a quality win?
Isn't this the guy who was lucky to get a decison over Vincenzo Rossitto (who Haye incidentally stopped in 2)?
Who decided he didn't want any part of Enzo Mac?
And how is O'Neill Bell a better win than Mormeck?
When he fought Adamek he had been out of the ring for over a year after his loss to Mormeck.
And I think Cobbler already dealt with your laughable assertion that Cunningham is the most skilled cruiser of all time.

 

I'll admit it's very close.
Adamek's best wins are Cunningham, Bell & Banks.
Haye's best wins are Mormeck, Fragomeni, Enzo Mac & Gurov.
Not a lot in it.
However don't forget that Adamek's achievements at lhw allowed him to enter the cruiser division at the eliminator stage. He'd done all his groundwork in the division below.
A fair amount of posters have ignored this, and have idly asserted that Adamek achieved more at cruiser in 7 fights than Haye did in 21 fights.

 

He is more quality win than Enzo Maccarinelli. At least Banks won all the fights since loss to Adamek.

 

Again who did Johnathan Banks beat at cruiser?
Enzo Mac was massively overrated but at least he had two half decent wins against faded/past their best opposition (Braithwaite & Dominguez).
That's miles better than anything Banks achieved at the weight.
And if everybody's going to give Haye **** about his withdrawal from the Wlad fight, why not mention how Banks pulled out of a title fight with Enzo Mac? (Though I bet he wishes he hadn't now)
Furthermore, i'd go as far as to say that Enzo Mac was a better opponent (certainly held in higher esteem) at the time he fought Haye, than Banks was when he fought Adamek.

 

Rossito ,Mayfield and Castilleo(who beat shot michael moorer) are equal or even better wins than Braithwaite & Dominguez , plus u cant count out that enzo was knocked out by not heavy hiting ola afolabi and inexpierienced prospect lebedev whereas Banks has recently knocked out a decent heavy in Walker, So in my opinion Banks is more quality win of the two.

 

Im sorry but i will have to disagree with you, Enzo was ruined by Haye, he has either been gunshy ever since that fight or has looked sloppy.

 

I think their close. I wouldn't say Adamek is much better if at all. Plus Areolla at HWT does not trump Haye at HWT. Haye already has two champs on his record and will most likely beat Valuev again and if he beats Chag thats a third. I think a fight between them would be very good and entertaining. I like Adamek's chances he has better stamina throws more punches may have faster hands. Haye has the one punch power and Adamek was very hurt against Cunningham in the 3rd or 4th by a straight right.

 

Did you see the Rossitto fight? Because Banks didn't deserve to get the decision. He gassed after the first four rounds.
Even the usually placid german crowd booed, and you have to remember that Banks was essentially the home fighter.
And if you think his win over Mayfield's corpse is a better win than Enzo Mac's win over Braithwaite I don't know what to say to you.
And Afolabi is not a light hitter. Watch him. His attitude and his poor punch output has a lot to do with his low kayo pecentage. He had Huck on ***** street in their fight.

 

i've seen that fight and admit it was close, didn't bother to score it thou

Im not saying that particulary the mayfield win is better than Braithwaithe im talking about their best wins put together , Lets say these two on par with braithwaithe and u got a knockout on decent castilleo over that dominguez guy, its all debatable but lets even take your point that these wins re on equal level or with very very slight edge to Enzo (which i disagree with)

Then we take what happend later , Banks koing decent walker , winning with mora (md is laughable he was clearly better) while Maccarinelli is getting koed twice in a row. i know many ppl say Haye ruined Maccarinelli Well answer me then how did he do that? He didnt put a beating on him , the ko didnt look that devastating either. Maccarinelli got up on his legs pretty quickly.

I dont think u can ruin a fighter like that, I think Haye just exposed Maccarinelli , he showed how overhyped the guy was and did what he was supposed to do , got the job done quickly and i give him credit for that. but not that much credit for the win itself as the guy was clearly not as good as some thought he was. Which was proven by his next fights. (he didnt look shot at all with afolabi before the ko)

Btw Afolabi aint heavy hitter, he may not be feather fisted but check out how he couldnt ko many bums and journeymans, Huck has a weak chin thats why cunninghum tko'd him , ramirez had in trouble and as you say afolabi. So when we see how these two re doing now, after their ko losses(summing it up with their resumes.) it seems pretty obvious to me that banks is the better fighter therefore a win over him has more value.

 

Like i said above i think he more exposed than ruined him. Lets not forget banks suffered a brutal knockout himself.