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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    How good of a fighter do you think Grigorian was IB? Any thoughts on him.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Solid champ. Excellent longevity, although some of the quality was a bit thin.

    He was a fine boxer in his prime. Fantastic right jab. Lacked the power of his successor to the "King Arthur" honorific in German pugilism, but was far more skilled and start to finish his fights were always much more entertaining to watch than are AA's.

    Had a bit of an "Ottke" reputation, but undeserved IMO. (as is Ottke's own...well, mostly). True, most of his defenses were in his hometown...but he legit earned his way through them with his gaseous movement, bobbing and weaving, and fast sharp-shooting. He could make himself incredibly hard to hit without really spoiling or making things dull, and at the same time was able to innovate some very unique and effective combos. The leaping left uppercut to the body + right hook to the top of the head both connecting before his feet touched the canvas again, for instance. :yep He was a rule breaker, but he was one of those who took the time to learn the fundamentals before violating them so as to set himself boundaries on what he'd delude himself into thinking he could get away with. Credit to Fritz Sdunek for that. (and Sdunek obviously respected his boxing mind enough to hire him on as chief assistant trainer for many years after the gloves were hung up)


    Is he an ATG lightweight? Eh...can't say that.

    Again, his longevity is offset by the thinness of quality the WBO churned out for him (not necessarily his own fault...although he certainly didn't trot the globe to seek out other champs for unification, either).

    He wasn't beaten except well into his thirties by a pre-Chico Popo (and even there he went the distance despite at least one serious knockdown) Even so, there are probably many greats at 135 who'd have been able to not only beat but stop him in his prime based on styles and intangibles. It wasn't that he was chinny, not at all - it's that his style made a few hard cracks inevitable and his chin wasn't that sturdy that he could take those hard cracks from just anyone.
     
  3. Russell

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    Good stuff IB, thank you.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Carl Froch


    Alan Page 8-0
    Albert Rybacki 15-0
    Jean Pascal 21-0
    Andre Dirrell 18-0
    Lucian Bute 30-0

    92

    :hat
     
  5. devon

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    So who has the most?
     
  6. TBooze

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    No one has topped Chavez; yet...
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holmes and Chavez are the top two I think, but thats off the top of my head. Too lazy to browse through my own almost 3 year old thread :lol:
     
  8. Russell

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    Robert Stieglitz updated -

    Lukas Wilaschek - 22-0

    Karoly Balzsay - 21-0

    Henry Weber - 15-0

    Eduard Gutknecht 18-0

    Karel Ferenc 1-0

    77-0
     
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    Tyson Fury

    Neven Pajkic 16-0
    Dereck Chisora 14-0
    Marcelo Luiz Nascimento 13-0
    Rich Power 12-0

    55-0

    Not bad for a 23 year old
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    Marco Huck

    Ran Nakash 25-0
    Vitaliy Rusal 23-0
    Geoffrey Battelo 18-0
    Vadim Tokarev 23-0-1

    89-0-1
     
  10. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pernell

    Louie Lomeli 24-0
    Policarpo Diaz 32-0
    Wilfredo Rivera 23-0-1
    Diosbeyles Hurtardo 20-0

    99-0-1

    If he was t robbed Vs JCC 186-0-1
     
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    Julio Cesar Chavez Jr

    Sebastian Zbik 30-0
    Luciano Leonel Cuello 23-0
    Tobia Giuseppe Loriga 24-0-1
    Travis Hartman 5-0-1

    82-0-2

    Who knows, maybe one day he'll knock his father off the top
     
  12. TBooze

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    I am willing to bet he will not.;)
     
  13. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal
     
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    :lol:

    Im pretty certain he wont too
     
  15. IntentionalButt

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    Bert Cooper

    Henry Tillman 10-0
    Willie De Wit 15-0-1
    Andre McCall 13-0-1
    Richie Melito 18-0

    56-0