admit it....who was fooled by Hatton's boxing career?

Lennox's resume is an odd one for me. The victories when they mattered most against the big names never happened. He caught Tyson and Holy both on the slippery slope of there careers. H never disposed of Ruiz which would have brought clarity to the heavyweight division and would have prevented the awful mess than ensued with the Holy Ruiz trilogy. He also refused to face byrd. Although these guys were not legtimate threats i would have preferred if LL had faced them and stamped his authority all over the division. When he finally did face a live body in the twilight of his career he won the bout on a technical decision because Vitali's face was cut to ribbons. Vitali was actually up on the score cards in that bout. LL promised a rematched. he instead reneged on that and chose to retire.

As many questions as he answered he left alot unanswered and alot to be desired. LL should NOT have been KO'ed by Rahman and the same is true of McCall. Great ATG heavies dont loose by one punch KO's to journeymen. We saw what a focused LL can do in the Rahman LL rematch. That was the LL i wanted to see night in night out. Not the boring LL that put on a boring show vs David Tua.

As for modern heavies the only ones iv ever seen that were truly great were Ali and Tyson. No one else was close.

 

So tyson who beat no great prime fighters lost to numerous other guys is great, your chatting some real **** here.:verysad

 

One must look at the way it was done, time of the moment and what the fighter was considered by most boxing experts.

Of course Mormeck was a little past it and Macca has been shown to be less than stellar.

Macca fell into the same type of cotton wool routine that Hatton and Calazaghe have been in but he was found wanting alot sooner.

BUT - Haye went to fight what WAS considered the BEST fighter in the CRUISERWEIGHT division, not only that he went to Paris, France ( Mand Utd only getting one chance at Barca but having to play at the Nou Camp metaphor) and knocked him out.

Then fought a fighter many said was better than him and a domestic and division rival...........he proved without doubt he was the best in that divison.......he could have rested on his merits and stayed there but instead fought a top 25 fighter in Monte Barrett......who has been around for the last 10 years fighting the division who whos either winning or losing.

Bar the freak loss to that Journeyman who escapes my mind.......when monte was prepared and knew that his opponent was top notch he trained and is/was a dangerous operator.

Wlad knocked him out in 7, Valuev in 11, Rahamn decisioned him, as did Messi who was in a way exposed that fight.

He is now fighting the best heavy in the world in his 3rd heavyweight outing.quicker than Holyfield rise to the heavyweight campaign and against a far better fighter than the unfit undermotivated Douglas that Holy faced.

Could Haye get brutally ko'd?? Of course.........but the man is a legend period.......put it all on the line each and every time.

If he wins..........he will trump Hatton and Calazaghe and do it in half the time.

 

My point is its easy to makeanyone look **** if you are willing to make the right points.
Your point about haye/holyfield are not really valid haye is fighting wlad because the divsion is rubbish, holyfield would have had a title fight in this time if the division was as weak in his day.
Also wlad maybe the number 1 heavyweight but he is not half the fighter floyd or manny are, beating lwad isn't anywhere near the same level of win as a hatton win over either of them two would have been.

 

Dont agree with that and why all the Hatton hate in this thread.Fact is he dominated his weight class which makes him an undisputed international class fighter.Theirs a number of factors which prevents Hatton stepping up in weight.

1 He never possessed the weapons like speed,power or other boxing intangibles that would be his equaliser when facing bigger stronger opponents.Pac,Mosely,Mayweather and Calzaghe all have tools at their disposal that Hatton just dosnt possess.I would fancy Cal to beat alot of Cruiserweights.

2 He dosnt have the size to make that step.His height and reach would be too much of a shortcoming against the big welters and he would simply be destroyed.Its common for Middles to step up to super middle but theirs a chasm between j welter and welter though its the same weight class difference.

 

i didnt get the point of ur post? What are you trying to say? So you dont agree that hatton is a great british fighter but falls short of the all-time greats internationally?

 

I like Ricky Hatton, but this thread is right on target!:good

 

Hatton will always have people like Scurla trying to undermine him purely and simply because they are jealous. They don't like him because he is very very popular. Something they only dream about.

The facts about Ricky's career are this.

He won several world titles at two weight divisions.
Dominated his LWW division for years.
Was only beaten twice and both defeats came against true ATG fighters.

The only thing I could think as negative is that he never gave Witter a shot. I believe he would have beaten Witter with ease so it doesn't make much sense. It gave people like Scurla and Healy something to rant on about.

British boxing WILL miss Ricky when he retires (which I hope is now).
Of the true knowleagable British boxing fans, only deluded hate filled nobheads will not miss him.

Thanks for the great fights and grats on a brilliant career Ricky :good

 

Hatton never fooled me, but by the same token being a B class fighter is not that bad. In my estimation it generally means very good but short of great/elite. If he were C class then that would be derogatory.

I never brought the lame excuse about fighting at 147. He kept taking fights there so......

You cant say your not 147 when you lose and then say you are going back up there when the money is on the table.

There is no way you can say he had a glass jaw in his prime though. Thaxton,Tszyu,Phillips etc. They might have been past their best but they were all big punchers and whether Hatton did get hurt against any of them he did not get KTFO, which says he did not have a glass chin imo.

I truly believe Hatton would of been KTFO, if he had fought Tszyu with a proper referee, but at the end of the day you are being waay too harsh in your [url]criticisms[/url] of him.

He was a good fighters nothing more nothing less.

 

Hatton was good, but he was very overrated. He was never world class. Look at his fight with Louie Colloazo and Lazcano. But he still did beat some decent fighters, he was never on the level of Pac, PBF, De la Hoya, Mosley, etc.

 

I think Scurlaruntings just hates anything British

 

So Lennox isn't great because he never beat a prime ATG and lost to Mcall and Rahman (avenged both) yet Tyson who beat nobody and lost to Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis, Williams, McBride is Great :rofl

 

I don't like the way people appear to have given Oscar a total pass for getting totally humiliated by pac. Oscar was a red hot favourite to win that fight and was made to quit on his stool. Those are the facts. We can argue all day about weights etc...

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Hatton just used his huge popularity and the $$$ that generated to bypass the prime world class opposition and go straight to the elite level fighters. He knew there would be no shame in losing to the p4p kings and his reputation would remain intact in the eyes of his deluded fans.

 

Look at who he defended his lineal title against in those 4 years:

Maussa
Urango
Castillo
Lazcano
Malignaggi

That's just over 1 defence of his 140 title per year against pretty ordinary or well past it opposition.

The only big name in there is Castillo, and he was way past his best.

The 2 times he moved up to 147 he looked bad (Collazo) and got KO'd (PBF).

Now he's been found out at 140 by a smaller man who he thought he'd be able to walk through and bully into submission.

Fairytale's over guys.