I am 37 years old. But I really favour the Old-Timers. It clouds my judgement. But that is not the biggest bias I have. I really love a great story. The Listons. The Ketchels. The Langfords, etc. I'm a sucker for a good story. It really taints my opinions. I don't expect many replies to this thread. Many people will just think that they: A) are so far above it. B do not want to let their guard down. C do not want to undermine their future debates. I understand that. I'm just saying... We are all only human. We are all fans of the sport we adore. The tendency towards getting personal, or setting up threads to undermine others, or just spouting crap... Actually, I feel completely honoured if I see some of you guys reply to my threads. I completely understand that you know more than me. That's why I joined. If we take personal emotion out of it, and leave all to boxrec, etc ... Well you know what I'm saying. Best wishes.
Fair dues buddy! We all have our favourites obviously. Some of us even have our religious obsession. Christ, some on here even know what the hell they are talking about!
I get it. It's hard to go against the guys you grew up watching for yrs and yrs or guys you have read and studied about and know everything about. I readily admit that these things have clouded my opinions and judgments. I dont deny it. I try am rise above it most of the time but we know how it is and we all have favorites for a reason because we swear they are the best. My 2 cents. Nothing to hide. Never will
I think i'm biased against heavyweights in pound-for-pound arguments, I have to be very careful of it. I just think that the smaller guys do boxing better, and there's a sweet spot where dangerous knockouts remain possible but they're still small enough to be absolutely brilliant. Contrarily, heavyweight contests in the here and now are often my favourites.
You nailed it son! Very important topic! Thank you to be so honest. @choklab @janitor @reznick: B), definately B)
As long as we can all agree that heavyweights and any modern fighters are lesser creatures, I have zero problem with it.
Being a Texan, I think Roy "Cut & Shoot" Harris, should be ranked right behind Jack Dempsey...in the annuals of Heavyweight Boxing. LOL ! Note: How Cut and Shoot, Texas got its name: The community of Cut and Shoot, is located in the northeastern part of Montgomery, County, in Southeast Texas. It had its unusual beginning and acquired its peculiar name in July 1912. On the morning of July 21, 1912 the group who wanted to hear Preacher Stamps, gathered at the Community House. They came in their wagons and buggies and brought their lunches with intentions of staying and having an all day preaching and a dinner on the ground. Under their wagon and buggy seats they had their guns and knives rolled up in quilts. On their arrival they found the door of the building locked, and soon after the opposing group arrived with their weapons. This faction immediately inspected the door and declared that the lock had been jammed, whereupon all grabbed their guns and a hot argument developed between two of the opposing families. While the accusations of both sides flew back and forth, the eight-year-old son of one of the families favorable to the meeting became frightened at the disturbance and said; "I'm scared!" "I'm going to cut around the corner and shoot through the bushes in a minute!" Thus the name Cut and Shoot was coined. http://www.cutandshoot.org/documents/history.htm
This is a prime example of religious following https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/rocky-marciano-vs-the-future-champions.581790/ Nonsense!
I have no shame in admitting that I give every benefit of the doubt to older fighters in H2H and ATG discussions more often than not. One of my problems is that my favorites list is a long one. I admire fighters going from Sullivan and Peter Jackson to Dempsey and the Black Dynamite crew, to Louis, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson and so on and so on. To me, the arc of history is fascinating and the more I dig, the more things I find to admire about the greats. That's not to shoot down the people who carry on the lineage, fighting for our current day entertainment. I respect them a great deal as well, but their story hasn't ended, and they haven't yet fully stepped into the grand legend that their predecessors now inhabit. And that's before I even get to the lower weights, ah, Duran, Gans, Leonard, Ray Leonard, SRR, Pep, Saddler, Chavez, Saad Muhammad, Hopkins, those two warriors in my avatar, that's a whole other topic in itself.
Better at executing boxing skill. For example, combination punching. So i we look at Sugar Ray Robinson throw combination punches it looks more beautiful, faster, fluid to me. Guys like Ray Leonard looks more beautiful, faster, more fluid than Holmes, say, even Ali looks less indescribable to me than someone like Pep. So yeah, from the purely "technique is just affectiveness" perspective you have (i nearly wrote suffer), you're right, but to me there's considerably more to boxing than that. That's true.
Yeah, I agree with this. That's what separates sport from art, unquestionably. But - and i'm not sure what other sports you watch - but it's known and accepted that it is better to win like this: This content is protected Than like this: This content is protected Though someone somewhere will always say "it's the three points that count" and that would be technically correct. Each boxing match will be a contest. Some contests will be more brilliant than others. The most brilliant tend to be at weights lower than heavyweight.