Admitting favouritism on here!

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Gudetama, Jun 4, 2018.


  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    It’s tough for people to admit to having biases because it’s very difficult for us to even recognize them. Believing that one fighter or group of fighters is better than another is not necessarily bias...could just be an accurate assessment.
     
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  2. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    For me, I'd say the younger years is when I was impressionable and named favorites; paying attention to certain boxers.
    Today I pay attention to boxing. In other words, I can't quote individual stats on fighters like I use to. No Alzheimer yet!
    Rather because I am more in-tuned with fighters abroad & not excluding weight classes. So rather than use my memory up reciting a few fighters, I spend time reciting fights from all weight classes and eras.

    And I don't think the so-called golden era is better or lesser.
    Its like trying to compare a 'creator' versus a 'perfecter'.
    Ray Robinson created. Ali perfected.

    Dr.J Julius Irvin created the lay up from around the rim. Lebron perfected it.

    Jimi Hendrix created the idea of using feedback Steve Vai perfected it.

    The creationist can't beat the perfectionist, but the perfectionist didn't create. They cancel each other out IMO.
    And that's how I view the old era versus the new, no bias or favorites possible.


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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There are conscious biases, and unconscious biases.

    A person who is particularly knowledgeable about a give era, is likely to rate the fighters of that era highly relative to other eras, simply due to knowing the context of their fights.

    A contender that he/she has a good estimate of, will be a forgotten name to others.
     
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  4. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loved the soccer references McGrain!!! it seems you've could've used Diego twice to still bring your point home... i.e. the second clip could've been the "Hand of God" type vs. the "Goal of the Century" type.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Problem there is the Argentine's wouldn't agree...they love one goal as much as the other.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sorta, but I think the causal connection is a bit different than that. People who already have an emotional attachment to a fighter or an era, and who are already inclined to believe that certain fighters were extraordinary, will likely end up learning more factual information about those fighters and their eras.
     
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  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LoL well played.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    In my experience, the factual information raises more ships in any given era, than it lowers!
     
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  9. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just got back from a 2 week vaca so haven't been following anything. But I too favor the old timers and for me it is because of the toughness and experience through activity that I feel prevails over the 2 or 3 fights a year bs … But all in all, if you don't check your bias at the door as best as possible, why post at all .. for the most part
     
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  10. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    I've clicked 'reply' to this one, but I thank all of you for your great replies to my odd post. I certainly do try to leave my bias behind when making judgments. It's just hard sometimes. For example, the recent barrage of posts about Wills have really taught me a lot. Lewis has also zoomed up my HW rankings. The losers in my rankings have been people like Fitzsimmons and Frazier. And they are certainly among my favourite heavies (or I would put "heavy" in quote marks when discussing Fitz).
    Duran and even SRR (at MW) have been among other casualties! I'm always happy to be proven, or at least persuaded, wrong if I learn something. That's why I joined. Best wishes :)
     
  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We are all guilty of it in some degree or another. But at least here in the Classic, the posters are far more logical, reasonable and open to different views than those on the General.
     
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  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    If somebody comes on and shits all over an old timer in favour of an artificially enhanced confirmed drugs cheat is it ever really favouritism to defend the old timer?

    As Janitor says, if the guy favouring the modern guy demonstrates absolutely no knowledge of the other fighters records, films of his opponents fights then what worth is his actual side of the debate?

    And as Unforgiven says it’s only fantasy anyway.
     
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  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why apologize for showing favoritism? Without it, it would be rather dull here. Show your cards, don't worry about it.
     
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  14. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I would say my bias is towards the old timers and great fighters who've had more fights. As much as I think Sugar Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather were brilliant fighters, can a fighter with 40-50 fights in an entire career really be favourably compared to a fighter with 150-200 fights when both were fighting at the top level of the sport in their respective eras? I don't think so.
     
  15. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    I also give a great deal of props to the guys who fought so often. Imagine if we only took their top 40-50 fights when comparing them against the moderns. For a start, they would all be undefeated, lol
     
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