Adrian Broner: The Flawed Afro-American Style

if stamina and chin was all that was needed to be successful why couldn't angulo beat cintron? why couldnt martinez stop cintron?

why has margo never been outboxed? all the fights he lost he got bullied, outfought or out punched.

 

Because 1 Angule isnt as physically and athletically gifted as Antonio Margarito. 2, because he didnt have bricks in his glove. Martinez doesnt hit as hard as Margarito. So I fail to see your point here. Margarito bullies his opposition, because he usually outwieghs them by 10lbs on fight night, has a significant advantage in size, and walks them down usually losing the first 5 rounds before stopping his opponent.

Paul Williams vs Margarito he got outboxed from the outside. Williams circled him all night and outboxed him comfortably until the late rounds.


There is nothing skillful about Margarito cept for the fact he's a middlewieght fighting welterweights most of his career.

 

I respect your opinion, but I feel you are exaggerating the technical aspect of pressure fighting a bit to be a contrarian. Lets not confuse "applying pressure" with a guy who is a "Pressure Fighter/Swarmer". He isn't doing what you are trying to portray. He is a raging demon employing sound Pressure Fighting/Swarming tactics. If you disagree? Please provide video of this "technical" Pressure fighter in action.

I agree with that, but only on the endurance side. Great Pressure Fighters are different breed of human. A guy who can push himself until his heart pops. Make no mistake I respect them. I just feel it is more a "birthright" than a technical matter.

I can't speak to your personal situation or gym make up. "More success" is different than being dominant. Again you are clouding the issue. The issue here is if a counter puncher can become offensive? He can. If a pressure fighter is getting picked apart by a stronger guy can he put up his guard, pick spots, and counter punch? The answer to that question is usually no. He has less dimensions.

You are now clouding this issue. You are confusing being offensive (Boxer Punchers, Punchers, Swarmers, Brawlers) with Pressure fighters/Swarmers. Offensive fighters get more than their due.

Look at guys like Winky Wright and Josh Clottey. They are highly defensive counter punchers who could never score big fights. If you look at just their records? Amazing. See them fight? Many people don't give them credit.

I don't buy into the thought process that pre-1960 fighters are better than fighters now so I won't comment.

 

bull****, paul williams outfought him, he threw more punches and just fought his heart out, paul williams is the black version of margarito, he doesn't know **** about slickness.

 

Margarito is skilled. I have seen training videos of him and he looks amazing.

The problem is that he does not posses elite level gifts so he employs the appropriate tactics. It looks down right ugly at times. He is severely disciplined on keeping his weight down to stay in the proper weight class, chases opponents down, and never stops throwing. He can even drop it into a HIGHER gear to beat guys after already throwing an amazing amount of punches.

Unfortunately a cloud has been placed on his success. I have watched both the young raw Margo fighting outside just brawling. I have seen the "Ali" version of Margo breaking decent opponents apart with pure Boxing. I have also seen out gunned Margo intelligently apply the proper tactics to beat superior skilled/gifted opponents.

Margo isn't the most skilled, but Margo is skilled.

 

i haven't seen all those fights you're talking about but i agree with your last point, margo might not be floyd/manny skilled but how many are? pac and floyd are the best of the best, margo took what he had an found success with it.

 

Paul Williams a C level boxer when he wants to be. And it just so happens a C level boxer who can take a punch is all that is needed to beat Margarito. Go watch the fight, he was circling Margarito, popping his jab, throwing combinations, staying out of range ect. He tried to stand and trade with margarito later in the fight and got hurt, then the last round he went right back to boxing and won comfortably.



Margarito made Paul Williams look like Mayweather in there
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Probably been said on this thread, but it bears repeating. How could the style epitomized by perhaps the greatest fighter ever, Muhammad Ali, be "flawed"?

It's a style that requires outsized talent to pull off, yes, but give me break calling a "style" flawed.

 

you dont know **** about boxing.

 

Yeah thats why a world renowned trainer in Freddie Roach said Margarito has horrible footwork. But you say its good. I'll take your opinion over his because you sparred once like Philla. atsch


God he's fighting in a 20 foot ring. If you are constantly on the move you are gonna pin your opponent against the ropes at some point. Its not like Manny PAcquiao had the option of just leaving the ring. atsch Even when Margarito had a guy who he's 5 inches taller then an outweighs by 15lbs agianst he ropes Manny fought off the ropes easily.


You know why Margarito was a successful welterweight? Because most welterweights are 5'6-9 68-70 inch reach. Margarito is 5'11, 73 inch reach. Most welterweights enter on fight night around 155. Margarito enters the ring 160+

In the days of same day weigh ins this guy wouldnt be fighting in the welterweight divison. He'd be getting his ass kicked by fighters his own size.

 

I used to catch them on ESPN Classic when Margo was hot. Margo has been in "the deep end" turning water to wine since 2006. Seriously who has he had more natural gifts than? Speed? Power? Athleticism?

He has employed tremendous discipline and tactics to achieve what he has. That shows that the man is using his noggin' and a nod to his trainers, but those have changed so a lot of it is him. All that being said, is he multi-dimensional? Probably not.

 

freddie roach also said pacquiao would knock floyd out in 4 rounds, do you also believe that?

 

Freddie said that before he watched film of Mayweather. Once he saw film of Mayweather he said Manny would need more time.


He saw film of Margarito and basically said Manny would twist him out of his shoes because his footworks so bad.


But right im supposed to take your guys opinion of what I see visually and what Roach says. Margarito is skilled. A sweet scientist. atsch


**** watch the video. Williams is popping the jab and slipping punches like he's Whitaker. Because he's fighting MARGARITO!

 

Broner dose have talent and skill, i think his problem is that hes scared of looking ugly and tries to hard to look pretty in the ring.
Ponce De Leon deserved the win BTW.