Adrian Broner: The Flawed Afro-American Style

adrian boner says floyd jr is the greatets fighter of all time, thats all you need to know about that kool aids drinker.

 

Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins. They both had great defense, but they also knew when to move in for the kill.

 

You have a point. Your point could even be respected, but you didn't consider the source of the original argument and added on a bunch of nonsensical crap.

Here is the problem... The guy did not stick to an actual grouping of fighter. The whole "Slick Black" fighting style, if it is being used to actually describe a style, should be confined to fighters who actually use it (Black or otherwise). You could make the case for Malignaggi employing this style.

When in the hell did Hopkins become "slick" other than with his pre-fight antics? Jacobs? Those guys aren't slick and never will be. So why are they in the same discussion as guys like FMJ, AD, ZJ, and Broner? I will tell you why, this is a racial attack not a Boxing analysis.

Your last comment, though holding some truth, is just dumb. Being "Black" or "African American" is a matter of preference. Just like if a "White" person corrected you and asked to be addressed as "Caucasian". He would be perfectly within his rights to do so and as a respectful human being I would address him as such. There is no BS double standard there is just a preference. Whites/Caucasians don't seem to have one. Why are you making a BS "equality" argument out of it? That is why you are called an Uncle Tom.

 

i wanted boner or broner who ever he is to lose
but i think some of you white people are mad that he won lol

 

it amazes me how much time people take to make nonsensical posts filled with irrational logic...

 

Come on man you know you have to break it down for the little children on this forum, its the internet

 

Gooners,

I generally respect your posts, but the part in bold above is bullsh!t.

 

You know what? I think I agree with this.

When you think of great fighters, you think of their ability to switch gears and employ different tactics within the overall structure of what they do best. When I watch Chavez, I'm impressed by how tight his punching technique and defense are within his overall "pressure fighter" framework. When I watched JLC - PBF I yesterday, I saw that JLC knew damned well how to jab with someone faster than he was, even as a so called phone booth "pressure fighter". On the other side, watch just about any of Whitaker's big fights, and tell me he wasn't a monstrously effective (not devastating, but effective) body puncher, as a so called "defensive fighter". You know why guys can't just run in on PBF and BHop? Because they throw with great leverage and their punches have snap even as "defensive fighters".

My feeling is that what we're calling the "flawed black style" here is being represented lately by a lot of young fighters who one, are still developing, and who two, haven't done the homework necessary to become complete fighters. And on top of that, I think the learning curve to employ "slick" techniques is very, very steep, and that between two fighters on roughly the same level in terms of experience and talent, it's easier for the more basic style to prevail. Floyd has been rolling that front shoulder since he was what, four? Whitaker and RJJ had once in a generation physical ability. Lots of the guys coming up just don't look comfortable trying to pull off the same moves. They need to quit trying them, and relearn fundamentals. Listen to Roy call a fight and tell me he didn't learn fundamentals. He did, and at his best he wove them into a style probably only a handful of fighters, ever, could have pulled off. But they were still there.

So yes, "slick boxers" and "pressure fighters" can be equally flawed.

Oh, and when the f*ck did Bernard Hopkins lose the right to be called "slick"? I swear, sometimes ESB makes this sh*t way, way more difficult than it has to be.

 

Yeah, because obviously Black folk invented this, right? :roll:

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You brought him up idiot and he is a "Slick Black" fighter. Nowhere in being "Slick" does it say you must be ONLY a counter puncher. That is some BS you read into it because you wanted to knock the African American school of Boxing. In EVERY example you used the guys became counter punchers AFTER they moved up in weight and their power was less effective. Zab was a "Slick Boxer Puncher"!

BS you moron. You are grouping limited fighters, raw fighters, fighters who have exceeded their effective punching weight, fighters who use movement and your lack of understanding what the hell you are watching all into the same bag. Then you want to somehow have a rational Boxing discussion? Every guy there is WORLDS apart! The ONLY thing they have in common is speed.

There is nothing wrong with being one dimensional. Especially if that dimension wins fights. What you are arguing is pointless because you don't understand basic Boxing. Andre Dirrel has given Froch his toughest fight yet (next to Taylor). Andre Dirrel beat Arthur Abraham FIRST! You witnessed Froch defeat AA AFTER AD did and did Froch fight like his normal run into punches self? NO! Froch is learning (or getting back to what he always knew see the Pascal fight). Apparently you aren't. have you even watched tape on Dirrel you idiot? We already know the answer to that question. No. Then you compare AD to Broner? You Moron!

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OK, it ain't racism you are just dumb. Which style takes more skill? Which style is more effective? Why don't you go to a Boxing gym and find out? Counter Punching just takes attributes and a temperament. Just like any other style. There is no "better" style. There is just the style you are able to use effectively. Broner is a raw poorly skilled, but flashy, fighter. What he does or doesn't do in the ring has NOTHING to do with what guys with real accomplishments have done.

 

The 'flawed' 'afro-american' boxing style was perfected by great white fighters such as Willie Pep and Billy Conn. Boxing is a skilled martial art that takes practice and dedication. If you don't like it, there's always bareknuckle fights, bum fights, and mixed martial arts that would better serve boxing 'fans' such as yourself.

 

I see you are just stupid and your stupidity in choosing examples was confused for prejudice. Now that we know you are just stupid we can proceed with the discussion assisting you in formulating your point as we go.

The term "slick" was used because that is what you are really talking about. Slickness doesn't confine a guy to being a counter puncher. There is no Afro-American style of "pure counter punching". There is an Afro/African/Black American trend toward attempting to beat the other guy mentally by making him look silly in the fight using timing, counters, and showboating.

No us "morons" actually followed Judah's career and we know that he counter punches now because he first moved to far up in weight and is older so his punch count has decreased. Why don't you go look at his work below 140. Zab was BRUTALLY aggressive.

Anyway, going on to talk about strictly styles... You are wrong, but you are the type of wrong that a person can't explain unless you actually go to a Boxing gym. In your ignorant mind, "Move forward, keep moving your hands, and don't back up" is harder than "Waiting for an opening, striking, moving, resetting". Nobody can tell you different. You would have to go to a Boxing gym and try both.

Again, apologies for not recognizing you as stupid and unable to formulate an argument with applicable examples.

 

Thank you. This is the main reason why I and others went after him about racism. How is being defensive and counter punching exclusive to Blacks and/or ineffective? :huh