Adrian Broner: The Flawed Afro-American Style

atsch Well as you very well know Dirrell didnt beat Froch. It was a close fight but not the robbery you like to pretend it was as even Boxing News and The Ring magazine as you know scored for Froch. As for Abraham he isnt very good as a SMW. Tell me Abrahams 5 best wins that make him this world class force. He definately hasnt looked it at SMW and Froch did a better job against Abraham than what Dirrell did.

 

broner is a young talent. he is quite talented. i dont care for the cockyness but to me he wasnt all that bad in his first huge fight. it will be interesting to see iff he ocuses on getting better instead of all that unecessary showboating.

 

go watch UFC you dumb S#$T if you can't understand skilled boxing...this is the sweet science, not MMA...btw, Dirrell fights nothing like Broner...

what's the Caucasian style? absorbing punches with your face...

 

Bulls#$T!...Dirrell rocked Froch and beat him, it was home cookin'...and he softened Abraham up for Froch by Knocking him down!

 

Dirrell has a defensive style when he needs, like when fighting AA, safety comes first with a huge puncher. Dirrell has more dimensions to his game, he is def not one dimensional

 

:deal Styles do win fights, but only when both fighters are evenly matched. Judah didn't look great vs. Baldomir, Clottey, or Mathysee. Alexander the same vs Kotelnik and Bradley, Bradley being African American doesn't employ the slick style just like JMM isn't a brawler either. It's not the styles that are flawed, but the fighters.

 

Quick question, have you ever Boxed/sparred in a Boxing gym in your life (even on the lowest level)? Discussing with you what style takes more skill could be a little pointless if you have no base of understanding to work from.

So what does it take to be a pressure fighter? You have to have an understanding of Boxing and a willingness to go to the darkest places (born with it). What does it take to be a counter puncher? You have to have an understanding of Boxing to make READS on your opponent and THEN execute offensively. So Counter Punching already IMPLIES that at MINIMUM a fighter has two dimensions. It isn't that we are pretending it is that you are speaking from a position of ignorance... Your couch.

Who cares how long you have been WATCHING Boxing? Any guy who goes down to his local Boxing gym and is serious for six months would know more about Boxing than an armchair expert. Your argument about Judah is a perfect example. Let's examine this...

At the time of facing Kostya, Zab had always hung around 140. He was a 28-0 Boxer Puncher with 21 knock outs. So you think that was all counter punching? When facing KT, Zab began to be backed up (notice I didn't say countering?). Why? Because he met up with a more dominant Boxer Puncher. The only logical thing to do, if you are a MULTI-DIMENSIONAL figher, is to counter! It still didn't help because at the time Judah was not very advanced defensively or at counter punching. He was tearing through guys with OFFENSE ALONE! He was just a Boxer Puncher being backed up. He has been evolving ever since. The Zab you see now is older (less stamina), wiser (can make reads), and a bit battle weary so likes to counter due to still being fast.

Unless you have Boxed and attempted to make a read, you can' really understand. You think that BS Broner was doing was somehow "Black Style"? Broner was steadily letting a smaller man lunge and touch him in the gut and score without wobbling him once. No upper cuts, no body work, no jab. Then when Broner's team told him to turn it up he was stuck squared up and brawling.

IMHO, it seems you can't see the difference between mimicking and implementing. That Milli Vanilli crap Broner was doing was not (Slick) Black Boxing. Also, I am sure you can't even understand the subtle things that GREAT pressure fighters are doing so you think they are just "coming forward", i.e., jabbing in, masked hop steps, muffling offense/counters with body positioning, doubling hooks, feinting high/low going opposite, working high/low or low/high, etc... A lot is going on in there man. Subtle things. Good pressure fighters can look like Ali against the right opponent if they wanted. They LOVE the clash.

My apologies earlier. Let's just talk Boxing not rip each other. My bad.

 

You beat Arthur Abraham and arguably beat or either fought close with Carl Froch you are a world class fighter. World Class Fighter doesn't always mean being Top 10 P4P.

 

Dirrell didnt beat Froch. It was a close fight no doubt but even Boxing News and The Ring thought Froch was the winner. Dirrell was holding for large parts of the fight and very negative.
I dont disagree that Dirrell laid the blueprint for Froch when it comes to Abraham, Calzaghe did the same thing against Kessler for Ward. Dirrell did knock Abraham down but Abraham didnt appear hurt, he was far more hurt against Froch.
Try not to let your bias blind you

 

he's shane mosley's cousin.

 

Doesn't mean he has Boxed, but how can he say this ish? How can you say counter punching is easier TECHNICALLY than pressure fighting? Nobody is saying counter punching is "better" or "more effective", it just takes more to do it. Doesn't mean guys don't suck at it either.

Second, Broner was NOT an example of a solid counter punching prospect. He was three feet away from the smaller Ponce De Leon doing a Mayweather impersonation. Nowhere near countering or pre-countering range. If Broner was a decent counter puncher how in the hell was a shorter southpaw shooting lunging lead rights into his gut all night long? He should have been railing his head with straight rights and/or hooking and turning.

His argument and evidence make NO SENSE. :huh

 

Pressure fighting is ****ing hard technically. It's ****ing hard to get inside without getting clipped hard, and those who can do that successfully against good opposition have a ton of skill.

For me personally, having trained a little and sparred a little, it's easier to counter than to get off first. I mean I can jab first sure, but to actually get combinations off first is hard as hell. On the other hand waiting for my opponent to commit and then getting off my shots makes it both easier to land and easier to avoid getting hit back.

That being said I still like to get my combinations off first and I don't mind getting hit back a little for it. I actually like getting hit back a little bit. I like forcing my opponent to commit when he is not ready to commit and if he doesn't, then I know I can hit him with some good shots. I like taking him out of his comfort zone.

 

i didn't read all of his posts but from what i made out from the parts i read it sounded like he's trying to say pressure fighting also takes skills or are equally skilled.

 

I agree with everything you said, great post.