whats the advantages and disadvantages of the shoulder roll as opposed to the hands up style of defense?
Pros Can throw counter punchers quicker and more cleanly. The jab comes upwards from an awkward angle. Only requires tiny adjustments to deflect/slip punches. Cons You need to be VERY quick and agile to use it effectively against an opponent with any kind of handspeed. Not as effective against southpaws. Overhand right can be a v dangerous punch to a fighter using philly style You need to be extremely calm under fire. I reckon if you have the athleticism and speed to use it well, then it's a great style.
A shoulder roll isn't a style of defense. It's a single defensive move. You can do it with your hand up or down, it doesn't matter. God.
Well I can't pull it off, so...None for me, lol. When I did karate we used the shoulder roll, but karate isn't boxing. Doesn't work for me in boxing.
You are thinking of fighting with a half-guard combined with an over-reliance on the shoulder roll. Anyhow, the biggest advantage of a half guard, is that you don't get as tired from keeping both hands up. The biggest disadvantage is that you'd get hit more. These highly gifted fighters who fight with a half guard (or no guard) don't get hit a lot precisely because they are highly gifted. I usually fight with a half guard, but when I'm up against someone decent, I throw up the two handed orthodox stance, or sometimes even a cross arm defense.
mayweather doesn't just use the shoulder roll, he uses the full guard and half guard too. just like erik morales would use the shoulder roll every so often.
When I'm boxing someone my own size on the outside I keep my lead hand low. I can flick nice jabs with it, I can see his punches coming better because I don't have my gloves blocking part of my vision, and headmovement is better and feels more natural. When I fight in close, or I'm against someone taller than me I go to a normal high guard.
Meh...the shoulder roll is a natural reaction to not getting hit in the head. I suppose that yes it has progressed to a tactic, and incorporated into various styles, philly shell etc...but I've been doing it since I started sparring by instinct. I see people all the time their very first time in the ring doing it, clueless. Just see that loopy right coming atcha, and it's almost a flinch reaction...move head away, shoulder follows and raises and rolls in natural motion in the process.
Yeah. It's really annoying how much attention it gets. You never hear about how to employ a 'slip defense' or a 'parry defense.' But a shoulder roll is somehow worthy of its own style lmao. It's a good thing to use from time to time.
This is the defensive strategy I use. Now, i grew up watching Floyd, and boxed. When i first started to adapt to this style keeping the left arm down, my coach ALWAYS yelled, as he should cuz its a bad habbit to learn before your technically sound. However once i had been boxing for a long time it became my bread and butter. But to use it, you need faster feet than your opponent, you need to master your rhythm, and need to be able to counter punch. I love this style cuz off any punch your opponent throws, it sets up the right hand. The reason for quick feet is that this technique is not very good verse flurries of punches that are not the same. For example: mayweather did it verse Ndou, but if Ndou had been throwing combinations instead of a nonstop 1-2, he would have had to move his feet. It is also open to the overhand right mentioned earlier, so its especially difficult to do with taller fighters. Make sure ya learn what works for you and your skillset though, otherwise your gonna pay for it
