Adviser: Martinez will pursue chavez, not move up to 168

Williams was the one who wanted that fight at 160, so you can hardly blame Martinez for that.

 

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Why so sad?

 

confused, i think its a bit harsh to say macklins been found wanting, in his first world level fight he was robbed, if anything i feel he is found wanting when having to fight against unknown europeans

 

I really hate this weird argument about close fights, where if your guy loses it becomes a robbery. Macklin lost a close fight. It is not a robbery if a fight can be scored on a two-round margin (which I think it was). Yes, Matt was more aggressive but Sturm landed the better shots and was more effective overall.

 

Love to see Sergio become the new "Mexican Killer". Chavez Jr then down to 154 for Alvarez and Angulo.

No offence LP_1985

 

i didnt have it that close tbh, being kind i had it at a three round margin, i just cant see how that fight can be scored to sturm, 1 flurry every couple of rounds shouldn't automatically get you a win, who bossed that fight? who looked like the champion?

 

Well it wasn’t one flurry a round. Sturm used his jab to rack up scoring shots. He generally landed cleanly, rocked Macklin’s head back with the jab and the right straight and did the better overall work.

Your argument is similar to “the challenger needs to take the belt away.” No, they just have to win seven of 12 rounds. It’s easy to make an argument for Sturm winning the fight. The reason so many people cry “robbery” in a fight like this is because Macklin did better than expected.

But there’s a reason he’s not taking the rematch, don’t you think?

 

i had macklin with 8 rounds, i didnt think sturm was given the room to use his jab effectively, i didnt see it landing cleanly often enough in the first 5 or 6 rounds, admittedly after this he was able to land more on macklin, but not enough to go on and win the fight.

however i do agree that there is a reason they are avioding the rematch, apparently sturm had to cut weight drastically and was obviously overlooking macklin, he wont be doing that again.

 

If you gave Macklin a four round lead I get the feeling we were looking for different things in the fight. I never score on activity unless it’s actually doing something. Outside of the first third of the fight, I never felt Macklin did very much with his aggression. Sturm may not have been an offensive force, but he was doing better work overall.

As for Macklin avoiding Sturm… that’s poor. And it says something – a half-assed Sturm beat him, so what happens when he faces a sharp-shooting terror like Martinez.

 

im not the only person to give macklin a four round lead, not by a long way, i agree that a lot of aggression was wasted with a lot landing on arms and gloves but a lot wasnt and he was landing a lot more often than sturm. i gave the groves-degale fight to groves based on cleaner better work (though i could see the argument for degale) but i thought he was a lot busier than sturm was. you dont have to be the busier fighter but i just felt macklin did enough in enough rounds.

im not sure its necessarily macklin thats avoiding sturm, i think he'd like a rematch, but if you get the chance to fight martinez why would you turn it down? bigger reward with beating martinez for effectively the same risk, that being he loses when hes expected to lose

 

JimJom, sorry – I wasn’t saying the way I saw it was more right than how you did, I just think we saw it differently. I had Groves winning, mostly because DeGale’s flurries rarely landed.

Macklin was landing, but Sturm’s work just looked better. I don’t have a problem with either man taking that fight because I felt it was close. Macklin was more active and pressed the action, but Sturm was composed and landed the cleaner, better shots.

Calling it a robbery just isn’t accurate.

 

no worries i understood what you meant :good

i agree that sutrms work did look better, and the last 20 seconds or so of the final round had me thinking the ref might actually jump in the way sturm was landing so cleanly, but i just dont think he produced in enough of the rounds, the rounds where he decided to get involved he was the clear winner, and i can (sort of, at a push haha) see how the ruonds macklin won could have been scored the other way, i just thought in most of them the work from sturm was usually too little too late :thumbsup

 

Agree 100%.

Macklin was NOT robbed. The fact he pushed Sturm so close says a lot about Sturm as well.

 

Williams had shut out Winky, as well as decimating fringe operator Kolle....who Ward couldn't legitimately get rid of over 10 (stopped by Dr/corner after 8 or summat IIRC...both fights on youtube if you wanna' make comparisons Ice :good)

Sergei was overrated anyway. As far as I remember he'd done **** all at 154. He was a decent Euro fighter, impressive performance from Martinez, but yeah, means little in the grand scheme of things.

There was a two-point swing in the first P-Dub fight....but Sergio detonating that shot on Williams remains an impressive win.

Pavlik was done. and did well in the mid-rounds, but after his second wind Martinez made that a decent enough win (over arguably the worst Middleweight champ' of all time, well, by that point anyway)

I agree Martinez is getting overrated by some Ice, but he's a quality fighter, and even his biggest fans admit he's the best of a bad bunch.....which could become a very good bunch if the right fights come off IMO :good