After Basking In The Afterglow Of Victory In The HW Round Robin. Then What? Hope? Despair?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Apr 3, 2019.


  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    244,876
    240,094
    Nov 23, 2013
    Even though boxing rarely works this way, it like life is far more complicated than that. But for the sake of this thread and for discussion, just go with it.

    After Fury, Joshua and Wilder get done throttling each other silly, and a clear cut winner emerges victorious, then what?

    After all, no one will suffice any of the fanboys at this point. There's always an argument to the contrary as to why said opponent is ****, and isn't worthy of a shot at the title. Even guys who are in the Top 10 in some cases.

    Jarrell Miller, Luis Ortiz, Hughie Fury, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, Joe Joyce, Oscar Rivas, Adam Kownacki, Dominic Breazeale, Michael Hunter are all seen as either too old, bums, shot, overrated, too green or an easy win for the big 3, by the detractors. So what's the point in facing any of them? After all, its not like beating one of these guys does anything for their legacies right? Note: This IS NOT my personal opinion on the matter. I think they're all fine/okay opponents for the most part.

    Then there's the new guys on the horizon, that are equally unproven at the top level, that still show a lot of promise, like Ajagba, Hrgovic, Romanov, Dubois, Gorman, Yoka, Dychko, Sireno, Teslenko etc. Will you get all worked up over the big 3 fighting any of them? Or will they be thrown off on as well? Will they be cast into the outer darkness once they've been smashed to bits? Most likely. But regardless, who poses a threat, that's enough to get yourself all worked up into a lather over?

    Sure.... there is USYK.:ggg But what if he's a flop and doesn't even make it to one of the biggies? While I have a hard time seeing that he doesn't, for the sake of argument, what if in fact does not, or at the very least, looks ill-equipped or underwhelming at Heavyweight?.

    All the prattling on about, Fury, Wilder and AJ need to fight each other now, well when they finally do..... and one man emerges the victor, then what? Will you be hopeful? Will you feel despair? Will nothing be able to live up to larger than life expectations you ll set for these three oafs?

    After its all over. Who Necks? And will you care?
     
  2. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,774
    1,671
    Apr 9, 2016
    All 3 are beatable and have shown that many times so far in their careers, even fighting a B level opponent poses a pretty big risk especially at heavyweight. This is why it's so frustrating they won't fight each other immediately as the longer they dance around each other the more likely any of them take an L. You can call fighters like Jarrell Miller, Luis Ortiz, Hughie Fury, Joseph Parker, Dillian Whyte, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, Joe Joyce, Oscar Rivas, Adam Kownacki, Dominic Breazeale, Michael Hunter bums and chumps all you want but all of them have a decent shot of beating one of the top 3.
     
    Sphillips, Angler Andrew and CST80 like this.
  3. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,774
    1,671
    Apr 9, 2016
    Also, just as a side note that by the time they have done fighting each other enough time will have passed that the prospects you mention will be ready to go. Let's say Wilder fight Joshua at the end of this year, they'll be a rematch and maybe even a rubber match or a fight with Fury depending on what happens. That puts them out for what, 18 months? This is why I was so critical of Whyte for passing up on the Joshua fight, the reality is he may not get another chance. Heavyweight is STACKED at the minute, as much as it was in the 90's, not all of the fighters are top level but when was the last time you could name 10-15 viable opponents for the heavyweight crown?
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    244,876
    240,094
    Nov 23, 2013
    You would hope... but what if they all get found out? As beatable as the big 3 are, the guys o the upswing at the moment are just as flawed. I'm a huge fan of Joyce and Ajagba but I'm not deluding myself into believing they potentially can't be KTFO against a live body. As ffar as the rest, Teslanemko, Hrgovic, Dubois, Gorman, Dychko and Yoka are.... underwhelming to say the least.
     
    Glassbrain likes this.
  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,263
    10,267
    Jun 28, 2016
    I should hope so,this is the heavyweight division after All.
     
  6. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,774
    1,671
    Apr 9, 2016
    That's a distinct possibility,. it's also a possibility that both Joshua and Wilder get beat or at least have underwhelming wins in their next fights. That's why I think we're in somewhat of a golden era, there's no 1 top guy and so many good solid fighters that anything can happen over the next few years. I mean, 10 years ago we had to hype up Sam Peter as some kind of Tyson reincarnate and then David Haye as some kind of blown up Roy Jones because people were so eager some drama. Now we can name 5,6,7 prospects and 10 - 12 solid contenders outside the top 3 and I don't think anyone really knows who's coming out on top when the dust eventually settles. I'd guess maybe Fury from what I've seen but I wouldn't bet on it.
     
    CST80 likes this.
  7. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

    5,568
    4,358
    Feb 18, 2005
    One reason (among many) I like Usyk is that he is keen to fight the best and seems to make fights with little fuss.

    I'm fully fed up with the fight negotiations sagas that go down with the top HWs. As much as a liked Haye as a fighter, I just wanted him out of the picture due to all the out-of-the-ring drama around his fights. I just hope this top three stand-off is concluded within 12 months ... really don't want to be still waiting on it a year from now.
     
    CST80 and Savagekat like this.
  8. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

    1,340
    1,196
    Nov 14, 2017
    They do what any top crop of fighters have done in history and rematch.

    Then there is Usyk,Yoka,Hrgovic.
     
  9. Savagekat

    Savagekat TEAM USYK. I AM VERY FEEL! Full Member

    617
    444
    Jan 1, 2008
    As it stands, the situation is rather bleak for the potential winner as the landscape right now is relatively barren compared to the past. First of all, who's to say that it won't be a triangle theory situation where one beats one, but loses to another? If a dominant HW emerges decisively it probably depends on the crop of HW's coming up and whether they can score KO's to excite the fans into clamoring for them to get a shot. If there isn't decent competition, people will start remembering the Klitschko bros and their dominance much more fondly as they watch their successors in action. Depending on the outcome of the fights concerning the top three, rematches may be viable options and gain much interest. Predictions are fun, but right now that division is wide open for the taking and it's hard to call. It will be fun to watch if we can get the fights we want to see! (P.S. War Usyk!)
     
    CST80 likes this.
  10. Tazz

    Tazz Member Full Member

    376
    397
    Dec 24, 2009
    If one of them beats the other two conclusively, the fanbases of the 2 losers will just pick someone else out of the crowd as the real threat, and claim that he has been ducked the whole time.

    This is the way boxing goes.
     
    andrewa1 likes this.
  11. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

    2,263
    2,675
    Feb 21, 2018
    The "big 3" is a complete media drum up for the heavyweight division. There is a "big 1", Anthony Joshua, and everyone else. Apart from fighting each other, the resumes of Wilder and Fury are very thin in regards to top 10 fighters and read more that of a contender than a "big 3". Joshua is fighting the best fighters out there in mega fights, every single fight, whilst Fury is fighting Schwarz next and Wilder Breazeale. Both fights will flop badly at the ticket counter/ box office. Case in point.
     
  12. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

    93,094
    27,830
    Jan 18, 2010
    If there's a conclusion anytime soon, it will only be a matter of time before we see another top contender ready to take everything away.
    The level and chances of those contenders vary from time to time, but like mentioned already, fans and in some cases pure desperation will hype up certain contenders along the road. We've seen that when the Klitschko's ruled supreme.
     
  13. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,899
    2,572
    Jan 27, 2014
    People are waiting for that next special american heavyweight that is a once in a generation fighter, he’s still not pro yet but eventually he’ll show up.
     
  14. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,039
    4,861
    Jun 24, 2017
    Who was the last one?
     
  15. Max Thunder

    Max Thunder Proud member of the Cult of Vikings Full Member

    7,012
    11,660
    Apr 25, 2017
    I've already stopped caring about those three businessmen who do nothing but keep bitching about money. There is a better HW trio which is about to start unfolding soon.

    Lucas Browne
    David Allen
    David Price