After Kesslers domination. Where does that leave Mundine, Sartisan, Hausler and Beyer

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Bodysnatcher, you're a good poster in my view. Do you honestly think "Mundine lost handily?" Honestly??

 

Kessler is a righty. You didn't know that?
That's pretty fundamental knowledge for a boxing fan who
WATCHES the fighters. You do WATCH the fighters..........right?

 

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You need to reread or work on your comprehension .. he's mentioning that Ward shifts from right to left and in doing so that can be a contributing factor in producing head clashes as his opponent in this case (Kessler) and Ward are constantly a-d-j-u-s-t-i-n-g their positioning.

 

Yep. A close fight. Mikkel won but it wasn't a domination by any stretch of the imagination. I thought it was a narrow win and more supportive of a statement that Kessler and Mundine were rather similar in aggregate ability on that night.

 

It is somewhat pointless to look for objectivity on ESB but grab the Sheika/Calzaghe fight and check it out (if you haven't watched it or haven't watched it in a long time - I looked at it again a couple months ago).

If you don't know someone with a good version I guess the youtube will have to suffice though it is a bit hard to watch that (due to the size & quality). While no two fights are ever exactly the same - that fight has much that is similar to Ward vs Kessler.

First, turn off the sound. The commentators are biased idiots. Try and watch the fight imagining Ward as Calzaghe and Kessler as Sheika. So, if you are a Kessler fan, you are looking at this as if Mikkel (Sheika) has traveled to face Ward (Calzaghe) on foreign turf and you watching to see if Calzaghe's head is touching/bumping Sheika's face a lot and if Calzaghe is wrapping his arm repeatedly and punching repeatedly in every clinch and semi-clinch - you are also looking at whether the ref is doing anything about it or just letting it go (ignoring it completely).

In this fight, Joe wins a 5th round ref stoppage on cuts. It is one of Joe's TWO bogus stoppages of decent fighters in his career (the only two stoppages of decent fighters in his ENTIRE career). Sheika and Mitchell were both screwed by predisposed refs (Genaro Rodriguez and Dave Parris) who made really bad decisions to stop these fights (Joe received an abundance of these in his career - doesn't mean he couldn't or wouldn't have won - it means these refs wanted to end it quick as soon as he got up in the fight to make absolutely sure).

I have always thought that Joe's athletic level is on par with guys like Sheika (who was a very decent level athlete and fighter - not today of course). If Joe is better that Sheika it isn't by all that much. Joe has just had superior promotional and managment support, favorable ring conditions, predisposed refs, & back pocket judges (Joe has actually had five guys judge and/or ref between a half dozen and dozen of all his fights each - that is a lot of favorable continuity).

It is clear Joe could never have been an ATG if he had come out of the US because he couldn't have remained protected and would have been forced to take tough fights whether he wanted them or not - but I digress.

Watch this fight when you get a chance and try and be objective. If any UK fan of Joe or of Kessler is bleating about Ward's head then they should have the same comments about this fight. There is much that is similar in that respect.

I never thought that Sheika deserved a rematch because of headbutts or clinching. I think this fight should not have been stopped period. Sheika was pissed off about this fight and never received a rematch. But, if one is going to ignore Ward's dominant performance and focus upon completely INADVERTENT head clashes then you can certainly note the same thing in MANY Calzaghe fights. The truth is that neither Ward nor Calzaghe were trying to head butt. They were merely aggressively moving forward and head clashes can happen repeatedly when two fighters are moving into the same space at the same time. Calzaghe was equally if not more responsible for the head clashes in his fight against Hopkins (BHOP was ancient and can't move as well as a prime fighter .. Joe didn't have the athletic quality to maintain or control the distance and adjust to land his offense while moving to the proper distance - like he was accustomed and could when he was fighting bum after bum - year after year for a decade).

Again, watch Joe's head in the first few rounds in particular and watch for Joe punching in the clinch with one arm wrapped around Sheika.

Also, note how Sheika pushes the ref after the bull **** stoppage - and don't have the sound on - the commentating will make ya sick - it is like audio ESB.

 

I've known you're a racist, childish jackass for quite some time now. Bumping all the threads on the subject of Ward-Kessler from the past couple of months has made you look like a complete idiot and it's a whole lot of fun for those of us who actually know what we're talking about. You are now officially the worst poster on ESB. You are officially a JACKASS, jackass. Your breakdown and analysis of this fight couldn't have been worse and you couldn't have been more wrong. Stick to ballet.