After Louis, which Champion is the most techincal, offensively speaking?

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Louis is often cited as the finest technical offensive champion we've ever seen. Well, who would you place second?
     
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  2. janitor

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    There might be a good case for Ezzard Charles.
     
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  3. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How are you defining it KuRupt? Wide arsenal of punches, ability to land them, power..? I'd be interested to see what criteria you think we should be looking at. Cheers.
     
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  4. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Gene Tunney. Nobody in the division really stands out. Maybe Lewis or WK, idk.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Strictly heavyweights?

    Not sure how to go about ranking or comparing fighters according to this criteria, but young Tyson was an underrated technical fighter.
     
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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Good call.

    Tunney was much more of an offensive specialist than many people appreciate.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    I always thought of Liston as a slightly poor man's Louis.
     
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  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wide arsenal of punches, but not just a variety of them, throwing them correctly.

    Your movement/stance, and how it would relate to setting up traps for counter punching or initiating offense

    Combination punching, but again, setting them up correctly and executing them in a technically sound and efficient way (Efficiency is important, you can throw a punch technically correct, but if you aren't patient or set things up correctly you're just winging punches that may not land)

    Power, while important, isn't really technical aspect, but again, if something is thrown correctly, it will likely generate good power.

    I'm basically asking, everything that goes into the offensive aspects of a fight, which HW Champion was the most technically sound in executing their offense.
     
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  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes, only HW's
     
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  10. Eddie Ezzard

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    Thanks for that. By those criteria, I'm thinking Holyfield which surprises me. Louis was very economical on his motion whereas Evander always seemed a bit profligate with his energy. Even his jig must have taken its toll. But he put attacks together brilliantly and often on the counter where he had drawn a lead and taken over the offensive.

    Charles is another good shout. Foreman mark 2?
     
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  11. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah, offensively Holyfield had a complete variety of punches and he could just use them in combos or sudden bursts. No 1 type of punch really stood out above the other, jab, cross, hook, uppercut, bodyshot but they were all equally good in delivery and effect. At cruiserweight, that was enough to overwhelm his opponents. When he moved up to heavyweight, he had to temper his attacks more carefully as he was fighting bigger and stronger men than he was used to at cruiserweight but you could see at times like when he got tagged, that he would revert to type and throw punches in bunches and more times than not, it still worked for him.
     
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  12. TBI

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    I've always thought of Louis and Tyson as equals in terms of punch variety and choice, and power effectiveness.

    Both fired in combination, to the body, and with wide variety. Both excellent counterpunchers or initiators. Both very accurate.
     
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  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Charles
    Holmes
    Tunney
    Young Tyson
    Liston
     
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  14. SluggerBrawler

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    This thread shouldn't exist if you don't mention Tyson and Liston.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Holmes didn't have much of a left hook.
     
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