After Pacquaio, who will be the next fighter of the decade?

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  1. southpaw123

    southpaw123 Active Member Full Member

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    The claim you made is that abnormally low test coupled with elite athletic performance suggests steroid use. Not to mention hcg which is used to kickstart natural test production after it's been surpressed. Peds which would do this are androgenic in nature and the most simple form is test (e, p, ace...). That's what my claim is based on and why I made the points I did. Of course even after a person stops the use of steroids there will still be above baseline results, but performance will diminish once levels are back to normal compared to when they were above.

    The effects reported by people in forums may be part placebo, but 90+% of exhibited performance decline, from individuals who run a proper protocol, is from having hormone levels which are not advantageous towards performing athletic activities.

    The thing with elite level athletes is if they take steroids, they have to ride a fine line between performance enhancement and getting popped. That's where your experts come into play. Yes, there are masking agents and other ways to fool a test, but even with them an athlete can't be reckless with their use. All one has to do is look at baseball during the era of bonds Sosa and McGuire. They were juiced to the gills due to a lack of testing and as a result, they were putting up monster numbers. A similar example is lance armstrong who had several peds in his system while he dominated the field.
     
  2. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    I am not disputing this, but this is mainstream knowledge in ready available steroids and conventional methods used.

    There is a lot of experimentation going on with people and in Mayweathers case he will have the very best available, probably things we don't yet see on the black market, and people researching the most effective ways to get the best out of him.

    Whether it affected his performance or not, abnormally low test levels in just 2 fights and then never again suggests something was tampered with, remember we are not allowed to test his B sample even if the A sample is positive.

    I know you like Mayweather but you have to admit everything has accumulated to a point where it is above suspicion and he has broken the rules from the amount of Saline/Vit pumped into his body, not being supervised at a medical facility and the excessive TUE grants on his behalf, this is before we get into him rejecting a 5mill test clause, the 5 week test period...hell there is so much.

    Whatever we believe we know about how steroids work, these people know more and we can surely agree Floyd is not being above board.

    P.S I have not heard of Test Ace... Cyp and Phen yes.
     
  3. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    if you look at the reported tests he failed, and the low test levels, it all came around the same time and soon after his missed weight with JMM, suggesting they were ironing out these issues much like an Olympia bodybuilder irons out his flaws each Olympia. He also chose terrible weak competition at that point in Ortiz and Guerrero
     
  4. Bad News Brit

    Bad News Brit Active Member banned Full Member

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    Mayweather seems to use 'The Money Team' fighters as guneia pigs.

    Nearly all of those guys have been caught dirty.
     
  5. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    Yes exactly, again adding further weight behind the allegations.

    If people can't see through this then they must be reincarnated Trojans.
     
  6. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Everybody knows the story of that medal. Pac wasn't even good enough to make it to the Olympics LOL Then he started roiding with Justin Fortune. Now you know the rest of the story

    Pac was no phenom. Floyd had skill his entire life. Pac is a PEDnom.
     
  7. southpaw123

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    I can't speculate on things that are unknown, so if mayweather is on something that has never been seen before you can't blame me for not calling him out on it. As to the weight issue with jmm, I think it had more to do with not wanting to kill himself to make it, especially in a come back fight against a skilled fighter like jmm.

    As to the low t/e. Mayweather T/E ratios were 0.8 and 0.69. I'll point you to a study on the steroid profile of 4,195 male football players in UEFA. The results showed T/E ratios varied between 0.02 and 8.6 with almost 1/3 of the sample showing a T/E ratio less than or equal to 0.9. Also, refer to the article below in which conte expresses an opinion that some mma fighter with a te ratio of 0.42 and 0.47 was likely clean.

    http://m.sherdog.com/news/news/Vict...Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631

    The ones I know of are test acetate, prop, cyp and enanthate. They're in order of half life from short to long with ace and prop being considered short and the other two being long. Then there's deca which is test but is a mixture of all the esters.

    Note: when I say steroid profile, I don't mean everyone in the study was a confirmed user. In simple terms it means the study was attempting to find players who might test positive. I know you're not an idiot Anglo, but others are so I want to be clear
     
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  8. southpaw123

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    Also, I don't like mayweather. I think the guy is a total pos, but that doesn't mean he isn't a great boxer (imo).
     
  9. southpaw123

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    The only evidence that suggests mayweather might be doping is the iv, but could the amount used have been for the simple reason that he wanted to assure proper hydration before the biggest fight of his career? Who knows. Again, only he really knows the truth along with a select few in his camp.
     
  10. titanic

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    8 division champ, Fighter of the decade - not easy to accomplish.
    We have to wait another decade.
     
  11. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    I doubt Mayweather more than most because there is overwhelming evidence against him and because he rode such a self righteous campaign when really he has made himself look good on the outside when dictating how he will be tested which defeats the whole purpose. I just think the whole thing stinks and aside from actually being busted for steroid/ped use, he has still broken strict rules and it's been overlooked, it is like Hilary where she deletes 32k emails and everyone skates over it, General P mishandled a dozen emails and loses his career over it.

    We are going to look at this from 2 differing perspectives I see that but I appreciate you argued your point with more substance than anyone else has tried.
     
  12. Anglosaxon

    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    he was 2lbs over his fighting weight on fight night apparently, Conte said there are far more effective ways to rehydrate and he also went massively over the legal limits allowed, like i said it's just overwhelming the amount of rules he broke.
     
  13. southpaw123

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    Fair enough. I respect your opinion and it's not out of the question that he used peds. I just won't call him guilty without seeing something a little more concrete. Same holds true for pacquiao or anyone else. Let's be honest though, we are talking about elite athletes. We live in an era where even the slightest edge could be the difference between making a living and becoming filthy rich like some athletes have. I wouldn't be shocked if it comes out that he, or any pro athlete for that matter, cheated by using drugs.

    As I said earlier, cats like this don't tend to stay in their bags. If he used, it'll come out one day. Maybe not soon, but eventually.
     
  14. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    You do not know anything about me! Boxing , for me is just entertainment, much like this site! As far as me living vicariously through my hero's, I can say the same thing about you and how you feel about Pac! Do you see me making videos of Mayweather trying to justify his victories? That would be you, religiously trying to make people believe that your hero is the real winner. You go on about your hero's way more than myself. Proof of this is how frequently you post things about your favorite fighter and spew hatred for the men that defeat them! You are just a low level conspiracy theorist screaming to be heard but, people are not listening, they are laughing at you! You try making everything out to be dangerous when in fact, most things are benign and it's just your fear and imagination that is the real danger! Just like all the idiots that made up nonsense about Obama a noncitizen Muslim or that Bush was behind 911! 7-1/2 years into Obama's presidency and none of the rhetoric the conspiracy junkies spoke of came to fruition! Much like the rhetoric you spew about Mayweather! He will be held in high regard when boxing historians speak of him, much in the same way as Pac. His record will be 49-0, there will be no side notes saying he was a cheat and that he lost all his major fights or he rigged his fights! You don't have the connections, power, influence or intelligence to change your world or any one else's world! You are a mental midget with no clout! The sooner you come to grips with this reality the sooner you will be a Mayweather fan! LOL
     
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  15. Madmink

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    Amir khan said he thinks he deserves it