After Re-Watching Film, I Still Think Pac Will Beat Floyd Mayweather

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I re-watched the DLH vs Floyd fight and I thought Floyd looked sharper and faster at that time.

    I think Pacquaio has all the attributes to bother Floyd. The one thing that concerns me is he is a rhythm fighter. Fortunately for him, Mayweather gives you a chance to be in the fight because he doesn't take a ton of chances and he doesn't throw a lot of big combination. These 1-2-3 punch combos will bother Pac but not detour him or keep him out of the fight. Everyone talks about how Marquez beat Pac so an even more gifted fighter like Floyd will. The problem with this logic is that Marquez is much more aggressive. Marquez takes chances and captivated on messing with Pac's rhythm. Floyd won't do this because he refuses to go on a complete offensive assault.

    Yes, I give Floyd tons of credit for what he did to Mosley. I'm impressed with both him and Pac. And yes, Mayweather was on the front-fight against Mosley and rendered his offensive weapons useless. The big thing with Mosley is he doesn't have a jab, and his right hand was going to be nothing with Floyd's shoulder roll.

    Now, a fighter like DLH had some success (Floyd clearly won that fight though). It was a great fight, and while Pac doesn't have that long strong left jab. He still has a decent jab. He's not tall or very long like DLH, but he's incredibly explosive. Has shown us a top-notch chin at Welterweight and has massively improved since fight Marquez fight. He even improved since 2008.

    Pac punches from all angles. I think this is a key. Pac is unorthodox, and Floyd's style benefits much more of a more orthodox approach. On top of being unorthodox, and on top of punching from all angles Pac is a southpaw. This is an advantage, and it is something that bothered him early in the Judah fight. Pac has a much greater offensive assault than Zab, and he's not going to fade. He's going to pick the pace up the fight and make Floyd fight. Floyd won't be able to control him with his 30-40 punches a round I don't think. Pac has probably superior stamina to Floyd, if not equal stamina. He has better stamina than anyone Floyd ever fought. Pac can throw every punch, and his hand-speed will blind his following flurries after Pac jumps in with his jab. That activity and work-rate will make a strong impact. It did in the DLH fight in stages, and it should here.

    Now, I know Floyd can counter Pac. I know he's going to try controlling Pac, but Floyd is going to have to fight to back Pac off of him. And Pac will find an answer with his flurries and speed. If Floyd just tries to do his 1-2 punch and move, Pac's foot-speed will have him trapped as Pac is too quick on his feet.

    Obviously Mayweather can win. Being a little bit of a naturally bigger man, and having the reach, defense, and undefeated record. But I think Pac can win.

    The key is Floyd's power, assertiveness, and chin. If he can keep Pac off, and if Pac feels the punches then he will have a good chance to win. But he has to do it with combinations and taking some offensive assertiveness. And if he does get caught, he needs to hold up to a Pac flurry and a possible sustained attack.

    Pac has all the attributes needed to get the job done.

    My only true concerns are his size (His reach really), and that he's a rhythm fighter. Floyd realistically can put him off his game.

    This Mosley fight does not put off Pac's chances. All the credit to Floyd, but they're different fighters. Just as Marquez is a little different than Floyd (And how Pac has since improved in those fights. Floyd on the other hand has arguably digressed).
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    No doubt he'll make Floyd fight. I'd be surprised if Floyd can just control him considering Pac's speed, foot-speed, flurries, and southpaw 'all angles' attack.

    If Floyd fights, he gets hit and Pac work-rate will collect him some rounds.

    It's a real pick em fight.
     
  3. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    I had the same thought. I used to think Floyd would just cruise to a UD win over Pac. After seeing what Pac has done the last few fights, it's hard for me to imagine that Floyd would just dominate him.

    A past his prime 34 year old boxing promoter who didn't use his size advantage and threw sloppy punches was dead even with Floyd through 8 rounds before gassing.

    Note to all:

    Manny Pacquiao is not a past his prime 34 year old boxing promoter... and he never gasses.
     
  4. gyll

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    I don't see how Floyd was sharper fighting DLH than he was in the Mosley fight. In fact, according to compu box numbers, Floyd's accuracy was better in the Mosley fight. I also don't know how you can say he has lost a step when he won 11 rds against Mosley, 10 of them consecutively. The reason why he didn't utilize more footwork is because he elected to walk down Shane and be more aggressive, like he said he would do so before the fight. I'm aware that Shane is a different fighter from Pac. But here's what we know - Floyd can take a good punch and can deal with great speed/power as well as be able to handle a great technician like JMM. The things we know about the new and improved Pac are that he can beat slow, plodding fighters with little or no defense, can take a good punch, and he's strong enough to handle a rugged welterweight like Clottey. We haven't seen him deal with a speedy, gifted athlete.
     
  5. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice post but I think you're overanalyzing here. Does Pac have the defence to prevent Floyd from landing at will? No and while he has speed to get him out of trouble, Floyd has even more. Floyd's right hand will cause more problems for Pac than him being southpaw against Floyd.
     
  6. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I lean towards mayweather by stoppage.......

    Pacquiao is too much of a pattern fighter and a natural brawler...Mayweather is an adaptive fighter....

    Pacquiao has average defense at best, is susceptiable to the straight right hand, even in the clottey fight, pacquaio did nothing to change the dynamic of not getting hit by the same punch....He is a pattern fighter, that has the natural instinct to brawl, no matter what roach does....

    Mayweather by TKO, after roach throws in the towel...

    Pacquiao is made to order for mayweather...I think the only guy that could beat him from 147-154 is either Martinez or Williams...
     
  7. Uncle Rico

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    :think Some interesting points there.

    I think I would still have to disagree with you, and stick to the thought I've always held, and that's a comfortable Mayweather UD. Main reason being, is the point you alluded to:

    Floyd last night reminded us that he does possess these qualities, and that he can unload on these viciously. Now this becomes an big concern when you observe the defensive frailties Pac showed in the Cotto and Clottey fight. Cotto demonstrated how to tame him with a nice precise jab, and Clottey showed you can land a straight right down the middle. Floyd executes both of these with full effect, and I can see him having a field day against a careless Pacquiao.
     
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    Via check hook .
     
  10. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Can't really agree so much with the analysis. Pacquiao's jab, first of all, won't be as good as De La Hoya's. Not many people can match that. Second of all, he doesn't use it in the same way, and it's from a different stance. Third of all, Floyd took De La Hoya's jab away from him, contrary to boxing's greatest myth... which is that De La Hoya "forgot" to keep using it.
     
  11. Gander Tasco

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    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Well, keep in mind that DLH is a little harder to hit than Shane Mosley.
     
  13. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather is going to abuse Pacquiao.

    Pacquiao has no inside fight game. None. He is going to get eaten alive in the ring by the bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter Mayweather.

    Not to mention he is going to have a 5" reach disadvantage. You think Pacquiao is actually going to win the battle on the outside against Mayweather? Heck no.

    So let's really break this down: Pacquiao can't fight Mayweather in the pocket because he'll get bullied. Pacquiao can't sit there and "box" with Mayweather because that plays into his style of fighting.

    What does Pacquiao bring to the table again in this fight? Been saying it for a while... Mayweather abuses Pacquiao in the ring. People need to stop drinking the Pacquiao Kool-aid -- The guy is over-rated and has made a career out of beating fighters coming off of losses.

    I can't wait to watch this over-rated fighter get planted on his ass. The ******* nonsense is just ridiculous. Pacquiao is way too open for a guy like Mayweather.
     
  14. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Because DLH moved his head more and DLH was more assertive and had weapons to bother Floyd. Floyd rendered Mosley's big right hand useless, which is a difficult punch to land on Floyd... especially if you don't have a jab. The fact that DLH was taller, rangier, and had a jab might Floyd have to work more. I think he was faster and sharper, but Mosley is not very tall and just a bit more hittable.

    Physically he has. Maybe he's better mentally, perhaps he puts more behind punches now. It's possible he's sitting down on his punches more creating this false illusion of some slight decline. He did incredible, but again. That doesn't mean that's he's better because of his latest performance, especially if the style permitted him to suceed more.

    Have we seen Floyd deal with some of the work-rate and activity of Pac? Along with such activity, top-notch speed in both hand and foot. I don't think so. Question works both ways.
     
  15. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Maybe,

    But here's the thing. Maybe what's being most under-estimated is Floyd's power. I think he could be sitting down on punches. At the same time he can be hurt, and his chin is probably slightly overrated (While good/average) while his power might be underrated. Maybe he's sitting down more and trying to fight more aggressively. Either way, this pocket-fighting will allow Pac to get in his shots and fire his punches from all cylinders. Floyd can't 1-2 and move against Pac.

    I have no problem with Floyd being favored. I just hope this fight happens man. I honestly think Manny can test Floyd more than anyone ever has (Castillio did, but Floyd was injured. So it's not all the same).