After seeing Andre Dirrell getting robbed in the UK it's easy to see why Ward won't..

Chibuku · May 27, 2013

SolarCycles1963 said: ↑

These two could have a dozen rematches and Froch would still win everyone of them, Dirrell is far too negative and appears reluctant to engage with Froch thus making any talk of a rematch pointless.
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You forget boxing is about landing shots and not just going forward and missing.
Froch only wins in the UK, anywhere else he won't win a round.

WildStyle · May 27, 2013

Listening to Chibuku wax poetic about Dirrell is hilarious. Even Dirrell himself doesn't believe the **** you are spewing.

Zombieguy · May 27, 2013

British robberies and British stoppages. Froch is mad because didn't have these in his arsenal against one-handed Ward like he did against Dirrell.

But remember he's the "most exciting at 168". And Andre Ward's *****.

Chibuku · May 27, 2013

PityTheFool said: ↑

Bull**** posts like this and the race baiting/xenophobia on display is the exact reason the General has fallen to **** and is being deserted in droves by decent posters.
Froch a bum? And you want to be taken seriously?
Where was the judge who gave the disgraceful 118-110 card on Saturday from?
And all you have to do is look at what Dirrell hasn't done since to see why he didn't win that fight.He is a skilled fighter with the mentality of a stoner kid.
That was a fight that could've been scored either way and if Dirrell had anything about him, he'd have got his **** together and forced a rematch.
But back to the quoted post,you really have had your **** pushed in by Carl.My advice to you is the same I'd give to Dirrell;
Deal with it
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Where is the xenophobia you're talking about?
As for the judge who cares where he's from?
The point is once the judge is in the UK whether he's given a prefilled card we will never know because the way they just go for the home fighter is so embarassing.
As for Dirrell you saw what he did. He solved Arthur Abraham's puzzle. Even Froch mentioned Dirrell had given everyone the blue print to beat Abraham.
As to where his career's gone to who doesn't know Dirrell was injured by Abraham by getting a bad shot at the back of his head?
Anyone who thinks that fight between Froch and Dirrell could have gone either way just doesn't know boxing or is too slow. Go back watch the fight in slow motion (because Dirrell's so fast) and if you find a single round you can give Froch then you have issues.
As to whether Froch is a bum do you really think otherwise?
The guy has no skills whatsoever and makes too many mistakes. You wouldn't put Froch in many boxing eras, he fights with his chin sticking up in the air (rule number one in boxing), he's slow, he cant move his head and his defence is non existent. Now tell me what you call such?
Just because Froch beat Kessler don't mean anything because Kessler's very predictable anf fights in straight lines. Kessler's not an elite fighter by any chance and he wouldn't win many fights in a different era either. The gap between Ward, Dirrell and the rest of the 168lbs guys is just too big.

Chibuku · May 27, 2013

assasin said: ↑

Froch vs Kessler
Froch vs Bute
Haye vs Chisora
Grove vs De Gale
Fury vs Chisora
Burns vs Martinez
Cleverly vs Bellew

off the top of my head. most fights take place outside of the UK because everyone refuses to come here. if they didn't, there would be bigger fights. and more of them.
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And many fighters refuse to come because they know they will be robbed.
Just like in Germany, people usually go there only when they had already retired and now know there's no other place they can fight. Once in a blue moon judges are allowed to judge independently otherwise most of the times judges are probably given cards which were filled the day the fight was signed.

Fighters are never afraid of crowds, they love the crowds.
We know UK fight fans fill up arenas and stadiums so the economics can not be bad.
Real problem is the aweful decisions, poor quality referees and the premature stoppages.
Who will forget Derek Chisora vs David Haye when Chisora caught Haye in the 3rd round and the bell was rang to save Haye 15 seconds before the round was to be finished.
Who will forget Enzo Macarinelli when he got knocked senseless by some unknown guy and the round was reduced by over 1 minute to give him a chance to recover.
I used to watch commonwealth title fights on SKy on Friday Fight Nights. There used to be Ghanaian and Kenyan boys, one of them even beat an English guy unconscious and still lost the fight.
What's more scary is how no one complains about it.

Jim Bowen · May 27, 2013

Ripper11 said: ↑

Dirrell fought too scared, but he still won 114-113.

Then the referee was biased in the fight taking a point away from Dirrell and never doing anything to Froch who was fouling constantly through the fight
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A fight you score by one point one way or the other is never a robbery.

Jim Bowen · May 27, 2013

MichiganWarrior said: ↑

Youre not from Michigan youre from California, and youre white

Dirrell won that fight going away. Easy work. Horrible robbery
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Racist pig.

PityTheFool · May 27, 2013

Chibuku said: ↑

Where is the xenophobia you're talking about?
As for the judge who cares where he's from?
The point is once the judge is in the UK whether he's given a prefilled card we will never know because the way they just go for the home fighter is so embarassing.
As for Dirrell you saw what he did. He solved Arthur Abraham's puzzle. Even Froch mentioned Dirrell had given everyone the blue print to beat Abraham.
As to where his career's gone to who doesn't know Dirrell was injured by Abraham by getting a bad shot at the back of his head?
Anyone who thinks that fight between Froch and Dirrell could have gone either way just doesn't know boxing or is too slow. Go back watch the fight in slow motion (because Dirrell's so fast) and if you find a single round you can give Froch then you have issues.
As to whether Froch is a bum do you really think otherwise?
The guy has no skills whatsoever and makes too many mistakes. You wouldn't put Froch in many boxing eras, he fights with his chin sticking up in the air (rule number one in boxing), he's slow, he cant move his head and his defence is non existent. Now tell me what you call such?
Just because Froch beat Kessler don't mean anything because Kessler's very predictable anf fights in straight lines. Kessler's not an elite fighter by any chance and he wouldn't win many fights in a different era either. The gap between Ward, Dirrell and the rest of the 168lbs guys is just too big.
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I'm busy right now but when I get time I'm going to obliterate your nonsensical post.
Looking forward to it.Toodle pip.:good

mick557 · May 27, 2013

Chibuku said: ↑

Where is the xenophobia you're talking about?
As for the judge who cares where he's from?
The point is once the judge is in the UK whether he's given a prefilled card we will never know because the way they just go for the home fighter is so embarassing.
As for Dirrell you saw what he did. He solved Arthur Abraham's puzzle. Even Froch mentioned Dirrell had given everyone the blue print to beat Abraham.
As to where his career's gone to who doesn't know Dirrell was injured by Abraham by getting a bad shot at the back of his head?
Anyone who thinks that fight between Froch and Dirrell could have gone either way just doesn't know boxing or is too slow. Go back watch the fight in slow motion (because Dirrell's so fast) and if you find a single round you can give Froch then you have issues.
As to whether Froch is a bum do you really think otherwise?
The guy has no skills whatsoever and makes too many mistakes. You wouldn't put Froch in many boxing eras, he fights with his chin sticking up in the air (rule number one in boxing), he's slow, he cant move his head and his defence is non existent. Now tell me what you call such?
Just because Froch beat Kessler don't mean anything because Kessler's very predictable anf fights in straight lines. Kessler's not an elite fighter by any chance and he wouldn't win many fights in a different era either. The gap between Ward, Dirrell and the rest of the 168lbs guys is just too big.
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Just so much wrong in this post.

SolarCycles1963 · May 27, 2013

Chibuku said: ↑

You forget boxing is about landing shots and not just going forward and missing.
Froch only wins in the UK, anywhere else he won't win a round.
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Indeed and a positive Dirrell would oubox Froch and take the decision, but there lies the problem as Dirrell needs a good kick up the backside as he has the skills to be an all time great.

As for Froch not being able to fight outside of the UK, you are joking right?

DaveyboyEssexUK · May 27, 2013

Chibuku said: ↑

Every boxing fan misses Andre Dirrell. It's only those who do not appreciate the art of boxing but love sluggers who won't. I'm sure those people would rather watch people without any skill like Alvarado or just come forward slow coaches like Froch.

Andre Dirrell has exceptional speed it's unbelievable. He's one of the fastest fighters to ever lace the gloves. His movement and reflexes are cat like. He's so impressive to watch and redefines the worth athleticism. How he manages to see those shots coming and moving away is unbelievable. When Dirrell fights you can feel the electricity in the atmosphere. Try watching even the Froch-Dirrell fight again and you can tell. People could not believe what they were watching it was half man and twice amazing.

His career has been a disapointment but what he brings is unparalleled. He's a definite loss to boxing and seeing his best years going to waste is such a pain. His robbery in Nottingham is probably one of the most heartbreaking things ever especially since he was robbed by a bum.
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Oh now there wait a minute, im a brit and appreciate the art of boxing, but i dont miss Dirrell he has good skills but lacks a balanced mentallity, whining like a sissy going down on his knees etc using his good footwork to run rather than turn and counter naah not good for boxing.

Dirrell should look at his former sparring partner groves as an example

PityTheFool · May 27, 2013

Chibuku said: ↑

Where is the xenophobia you're talking about?
As for the judge who cares where he's from?
The point is once the judge is in the UK whether he's given a prefilled card we will never know because the way they just go for the home fighter is so embarassing.
As for Dirrell you saw what he did. He solved Arthur Abraham's puzzle. Even Froch mentioned Dirrell had given everyone the blue print to beat Abraham.
As to where his career's gone to who doesn't know Dirrell was injured by Abraham by getting a bad shot at the back of his head?
Anyone who thinks that fight between Froch and Dirrell could have gone either way just doesn't know boxing or is too slow. Go back watch the fight in slow motion (because Dirrell's so fast) and if you find a single round you can give Froch then you have issues.
As to whether Froch is a bum do you really think otherwise?
The guy has no skills whatsoever and makes too many mistakes. You wouldn't put Froch in many boxing eras, he fights with his chin sticking up in the air (rule number one in boxing), he's slow, he cant move his head and his defence is non existent. Now tell me what you call such?
Just because Froch beat Kessler don't mean anything because Kessler's very predictable anf fights in straight lines. Kessler's not an elite fighter by any chance and he wouldn't win many fights in a different era either. The gap between Ward, Dirrell and the rest of the 168lbs guys is just too big.
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Are you really going to suggest there hasn't been any racism or xenophobia in the aftermath of Saturday?
The fact there's a post in this thread that is racist gives me the first reason for realising that I won't be continuing to debate with someone who clearly has nothing but agenda driven bull**** on their mind.
Secondly, the bumped thread has Americans admitting that Dirrell didn't do enough to make sure of a victory.A kind decision is a fair assertion,but if it was such a robbery, why doesn't Dirrell pull his **** together and force his way to the top of one of the bodies of which Froch is the champion.
Thirdly,and most pertinently, you are calling the clear #2 in the division who has now only one unavenged loss to a sublimely skilled fighter a bum?
If he's such a bum,in fact you know what, I'll leave that one hanging.
And a guy who has been passed fit to fight but doesn't want to and has no major win against anyone of relevance in the division is the clear #2?

Your post is laughable,and your assertions are funny in a way that means you'll be laughed at,not with.
Froch a bum? People like you are the reason the General is dying.

DaveyboyEssexUK · May 27, 2013

PityTheFool said: ↑

Are you really going to suggest there hasn't been any racism or xenophobia in the aftermath of Saturday?
The fact there's a post in this thread that is racist gives me the first reason for realising that I won't be continuing to debate with someone who clearly has nothing but agenda driven bull**** on their mind.
Secondly, the bumped thread has Americans admitting that Dirrell didn't do enough to make sure of a victory.A kind decision is a fair assertion,but if it was such a robbery, why doesn't Dirrell pull his **** together and force his way to the top of one of the bodies of which Froch is the champion.
Thirdly,and most pertinently, you are calling the clear #2 in the division who has now only one unavenged loss to a sublimely skilled fighter a bum?
If he's such a bum,in fact you know what, I'll leave that one hanging.
And a guy who has been passed fit to fight but doesn't want to and has no major win against anyone of relevance in the division is the clear #2?

Your post is laughable,and your assertions are funny in a way that means you'll be laughed at,not with.
Froch a bum? People like you are the reason the General is dying.
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:deal

Zombieguy · May 27, 2013

Dirrell did get robbed but that "watch in slow motion" stuff is very *******-esque.

Ripper11 · May 27, 2013

Elliot said: ↑

His defensive strategy was one what alot of people would dislike, I personally don't buy into the running thing in boxing in general and would only use the term running in an argument with someone who is irrational.

Yeah of course some people will have scored it for Froch out of dislike for Dirrell, some will have scored it for Froch because of the amount of backlash from Dirrell fans on forums, but it's the same the other way.

Dirrell did land the cleaner punches and the rounds I gave him he won clearly, I gave Froch the victory purely on how boxing is scored and would have had a draw if Dirrell wasn't deducted a point.

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I got where you're coming from. My scorecard was only one round different than your's with 114-113.

What makes me more disappointed though is how Dirrell got a point taken away when Froch was being much dirtier the whole fight. It just seemed he had everything against him

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