After seeing Pac-Hatton and Pac-Cotto, is it possible that Oscar wasn't so shot?

My personal opinion is that:

Oscar was heavily weight drained for Pac fight. You could see it at the weigh in. Dont think for one second that i am saying DLH could take Pac out even if he was fighiting at his best, because i actually dont think de la hoya could ever be called a great boxer. He was good but not great.

And i also think that Cotto was way past his best and taking on Pac man was a silly idea. Not a lot of people agree with me but i think he didnt look great in the clottey fight. Now i know clottey is one of those awkward fighters and cotto had an awful cut,, but i think cotto has lost something mentally and is no where near as aggressive as he used to be.

I admire and respect Roach but i think he picks wilting fighters at the perfect time.

 

Diaz had him wobbled and hurt early and was roughing him up. He was behind and the KO'd him. I was worried about Maquez's chin in that fight

 

Exactly! PAC pretty much did what he did against Hatton, Diaz, and Cotto in the same fashion DLH got it! Unfortunately no vasaline!:smooch

 

:good all respect to manny, but yea even roach said "oscar couldn't pull the trigger anymore". but i still give manny the benefit of the doubt not for beating oscar, but for taking out hatton and moreso over cotto. even in victory, cotto barely survived vs. clottey, but he still won. that weakened version of cotto still good enough to beat a top 5 welter is good enough for me. either ways, whoever wins from pac-floyd won't get let off the hook until the winner faces winner of mosley-berto for welterweight supremacy. finally, we'll know who is the best

 

first off stevie is a b level fighter and an anywere near peak oscar rips him in half especialy at 150
secondly it was over 18 months since the PBF FIGHT when he lost to pac
last but not least pacquiou did what he set out to do desroy oscar only problem was that oscar hiself didnt turn up

 

Steve is not a "B" level guy homie. And Yea....a prime DLH would have murdered Steve at 150. But that is not the issue......The fact is DLH had a VERY close competitve fight with Floyd 17 months prior to his fight with PAC. PAC destroyed DLH b/c he was the better man and DLH did show...just like Ricky showed up, just like Cotto, Mab, EM and JMM all showed up. THey just fell before the man they all did and in devastating fashion.

 

The bottom line is that everyone was expecting to Oscar to come in weighing much heavier Pac. thats why pac was such a big underdog. The fact that Pac was the heavier man on fight night goes to show just how drained DLH was. Even roach said he saw the needle marks where they tried to rehyrdrate him before the fight and knew that oscar had screwed up.

At the end of the day its not Pac's fault that he drained himself but he still got a severely weight drained DLH who was the smaller man who he beat.

 

It was more a case of being ****in SHOCKED:deal just like the rest of us at pac's speed & aggression from the off, the only person not suprised was freddy roach, oscar was dominated from the 1st ring a ding & it's about time some of these dickheads started to give this "Phenom" his due's as he's most definetly something special.

I was at the Cotto fight & dropped a stack of $$$$ as it just had to be Cotto for me, but the way Pac dismantled him after taking Cotto's best shot's had me open mouthed. No, Oscar was still a top operator OK obviously not at his peak but still top class all the same, it was speed,speed & pacmans power that shocked all of us:deal

 

Funny you mention this Popkins. I was thinking that this morning while taken my morning dump and thinking about logging in to ESB.

Seriously though, I think, having rewatched Hoya/Mayweather last night, that Oscar wasn't shot at all, and is not shot now. He has been pass his prime since his retirement after Hopkins, his reflexes have slowed down, but he is still a high calibre fighter that could still be a force at 154 pounds. Watching the Mayweather fight I could see that Oscar's reflexes might not have shown up in his jabbing and punching but they showed up in his defense which is makes that fight a great chess match, regardless of what people think (how the hell anyone believes Floyd will fight a war just cuz he says he will is beyond me). Oscar was fundamentally a very skilled boxer and that's what got him through lots of tough times in his career. In the Forbes fight we see a return to old Oscar, his jab is perfect, he's on his toes, his combos are fluid. The Forbes fight made me think Oscar had a chance against Floyd at 147 (Pac didn't make Oscar come down to 147, he was coming down for Floyd and to return in general, also wanting winner of Cotto/Margarito) for the rematch because it seemed that Mayweather Sr. had put the Oscar back in Oscar. So, saying all this, now I just believe Oscar got his ass whupped, plain and simple. I think this is why you don't hear Oscar talk about the fight much. His fans are making the excuses for him, weight draining, old age, eating Kangaroo meat, whatever, the bottom line is he got whupped and knows it. Oscar at the moment could probably return at 154 and maybe win one or two titles if he wanted but he is no longer on the top tier of boxing (getting in the ring with the #1 P4p's of the world at his age, but who is qualified for winning against Pac and Floyd?!). For the common champ though, Oscar is still a good threat.

 

After he fought Forbes, I said Hoya looked bad but 90% of the decided to pump Forbes up, after that fight I knew Pac was gonna whip his ass.

 

MAB has gone on to say that Pac is perhaps the greatest fighter of recent history

 

Yeah, Camacho said something along those lines about Oscar after Oscar kicked his ass. :deal

 

dont think he was shot just didnt have the energy he needs to stay in 154

 

When pacquiao beats floyd or ko's him,i wonder if people will say floyd was shot.