After the Fury loss I am certain Wlad will not be regarded as favourably in 20 years

Faerun, show me a single Champion in history who lost his ATG standing due to 2-3 losses towards the end of his career. Show me one.

Will Holyfield be regarded less highly because of his pathetic late career losses? What about Ali's losses where he looked like a fat drunkard? What about Louis getting knocked around like a ragdoll? What about Holmes getting beaten silly at age 38?

You guys keep saying how bad Wlad looked, you shy away from any historical comparison because it completely destroys your pathetic argument.

 

Him and Vitali did a huge amount for European boxing, dispelled the AA dominance and established legacies for others to follow. You can argue about his style but it was built to last. People like Wilder and Joshua will not be fighting anybody at 40 except their ex wives for the money.

 

:deal On the money.

 

Most atgs have at least one signature fight against another atg that they can point to. What is Klitschko's signature fight?

 

Does Wlad have wins like Tyson , Bowe , Foreman , Holmes?

Does Wlad have wins as good as Liston , Frazier , Patterson , Foreman?

Show me a HW ATG who lost to journeymen in his prime and who also never beat another great or hall of fame leveller in his career.

Show me one? And show me a single performance from Wlad that proves he is one of the greatest boxers of all time ? :rofl

 

Only Journeyman he lost to was Puritty, a pretty tough one at that... That wasn't in his prime though.

Can point out plenty of ATG fighters with losses to nobodies early on in their career. It's not losses that define fighters, rather how they pick themselves up afterwards.

Wlad's claim to greatness is his consistency over a long period of time... From 2006 onward he fought just about everyone apart from his brother while avoiding no one, you're trying to fault the man for factors he had no control over. Whether you like it or not a near decade of dominance in any era isn't easy to replicate and is a sign of greatness. :deal

 

Good point

 

Pretty much sums it up for me. If Wlad loses the rematch it instantly validates his detractors that have been saying he's just a 1 2 puncher that d****s himself all over his smaller opponents when he misses and uses his weight to exhaust and beat his opponents rather than beat them with boxing skill.

 

Tyson's best win is Spinks or old Holmes

Bowe? He beat Holyfield then had his career ended by Golota

Foreman and Holmes are the only guys you listed with good wins and that might be stretching it a bit as Holmes fought in an awful era.

 

Does Klitschko have a single opponent that will get into the hof? I can't think of any.

 

People on here say Haye is a HOFer. I am not sure Haye gets in. Some have argued for Byrd. I don't think he gets in either.

They did let McGuigan in so I guess there is a chance Haye or Byrd could get in.

 

Don't you agree that it's pretty sad when you have been the heavyweight champ for almost a decade and your best win is Haye or Byrd? I just don't see how Wlad gets into the top ten heavyweights of all time discussion.

 

Tyson did what a great fighter is meant to do to a guy like Spinks- Blow him away in 90 seconds.

Wlad's Spinks was Haye . But a much lesser version of Spinks.

Wlad beat him the exact same way Fury beat Wlad. Yet you praise Wlads method of victory against Haye and totally dump all over Furys method of victory. Despite Wlad being more of a challenge to Fury than Haye was to Wlad.

Lets be real here. You're an absolute dope with no interest in the sport of boxing outside of nationalist trolling. Ok?

 

I never once have mentioned Wlad being in the top 10 all time. Have to wait until his career is over to access such things.

Look at Holmes reign. His best wins were Norton and shot to bits Ali. That is it. The guy fought 20 title fights and there are no names on it really. You have to keep these things in perspective you can only fight who is available. Lets see what happens in the rematch with Fury though I suspect it will go the same way the first fight did a boring stinker.

 

I really don't know where to start here. I have NEVER praised the Klitschko-Haye fight. It was awful but as bad as that fight was Wlad still threw and landed more punches and actually came forward than Fury who against Wlad was not willing to commit to anything other than a Jab or a rabbit punch. Fury was scared to death of a dead man in front of him that just stood there.

For sure you can understand the difference in the 2 fights.