After the Keith Thurman upset, is Manny Pacquiao a greater fighter than Muhammad Ali?

Quite simple he lost too much. He lost to his biggest rival in PBF easily and he lost to guys he had no business losing to period I don't understand why this is such a hard concept?? If you're going to say he's a top 10 ATG he has no business losing to JMM and getting KTFO by him or fighting him 4 times losing to a shot Erik Morales Bradley a no hoper in Torrecampo and a guy like Horn who was thrashed by Crawford in his next fight. Losing to PBF is almost forgivable because he was an elite ATG but the rest not so much. Duran is arguably a top 10 fighter because of this exact same reason he lost too much as well but most of it was past his prime unlike Pac and he has a single win that was light years beyond what Pac has and that was a win over SRL.

 

Thurman still outlanded Pac in power punches which is Pac's bread and butter and did well the second half of the fight. That is very telling. Spence is better than Thurman no doubt, I said he would body Thurman years ago when the fight was first being talked about. Spence is a more complete fighter than Thurman he showed you his versatility against Mikey. Pac will start of well enough against Spence for 2 or 3 rounds until Spence figures him out and starts to go to the body and breaks his man down slowing him. Spence has a much better punch selection than Thurman does he sits on his punches more as well and can cut off the ring. I just think Spence is a horrible match up for Pac at this point a devastating body puncher with a high ring IQ who can box as well.

 

I must have misunderstood your statement then about being undisputed 3x was a greater achievement than 8 division champ.

Not really, I've actually taken the time to watch many videos of the boxers of the past and even read up their history. I just dont buy it. For example, if boxing had existed 20 years, it is FAR easier to be an ATG then, simply because you are only being compared to boxers of the past 20 years history. Once pronounced as an ATG by journalists and historians in the history books, you kind of carry that forever. Had they campaigned today, would they have achieved what they achieved and would they be considered great when being weighted against 120 years of boxing history?

OK I was being hyperbole but there's a reason nobody fights like Frazier today. Not because its a forgotten technique, its just not efficient, thats why he got wrecked by a powerful guy like Foreman who used nothing but brute strength. Wilder, Joshua, Lewis, Vitaly, Wald would all stop him inside 3 rounds. Tyson is Frazier V 2.0, far far better in every department. Remove their names, remove their history and just watch their tapes side by side without bias, you would be crazy to pick Frazier.

Ali didn't have the legs he did back in his prime. If he did, he would have danced for the entire fight and won easily. Outboxers can make their fight so much easier when they need to, SRL-Duran 2, Floyd Maidana 2 - just run and pop.

 

SRR lost 20 times. Ali lost 5 times.

Undefeated records are a joke. It only means you duck and dodged. Can't find me a fighter who retired undefeated who doesn't fit one of the following:

a) die early b) had weak opposition and was stuck in 1 division c) navigated his opponents carefully

-Lost to a Heredia PED injected JMM
-Robbery against Horn, the result is arbitrary, in a foul-filled fight in the guys hometown. How many championship fights did Floyd have outside of US? Why didnt he fight Hatton in Manchester City?
-He beat a 29 year old Erik Morales. Want to know how old Pac is now, 40. Be consistent.
-He lost to a PED fuelled Floyd with 1 arm because he couldn't even inject painkillers whlst Floyd injected painkillers for 20 years whilst filling himself up with roids and owning USADA. Moreover, Pac is a midget LW going up against an apparent WW ATG, who according to you must be a MW cos the guy had to rehydrate so much on fight night he had to use **** ton of IV.
- Lost to torrecampo being a malnourished 12 year old. ok.

 

Ali lost after having his prime taken away from him. He lost to Frazier which wasn't a bad loss but all the other loses were well past his prime and the ones after Norton he had no business in the ring and the fights shouldn't have been sanctioned.

Speculation about PEDS JMM never failed a test and he also never beat him clearly before getting KTFO

He lost to Horn. Why would PBF fight outside of the USA? Vegas is the mecca? PBF was P4P #1 and the PPV king why would he fight in Manchester?

He lost to a faded Erik Morales who lost to Raheem after he beat Pac. Erik Morales had just lost to MAB the fight before he beat Pac

Speculation he was formally cleared by USADA and NSAC no PED will give you any benefit taken the day before the fight, it's an excuse used by PBF haters. Pac can't beat PBF because he can't deal with PBF's ability to control range and dictate distance on his ass and I've yet seen anyone refute that fact.

He got KTFO by a no hoper other great fighters didn't get KTFO by no hopers early in their careers no excuses bad loss.

Like I said before Pac has bad loses and shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10 let alone above Ali. If Pac has the same resume as PBF and PBF has the same resume as Pac there is no way in hell you'd say PBF was greater than Pac let alone Ali.

 

Childish & assinine I'd say

 

Well so would I but it'd be rude to call you childish

 

only a complete idiot would judge that fight 118-110

 

Were talking about Pacquiao Mayweather. Not GGG Canelo 1.
Only a complete and utter specimen would think Pacquiao won and only someone with no clue how to score a fight would have Pacquiao winning more than 4 rounds. 118-110 was a completely acceptable scorecard

 

Look just go away come back if & when you learn the game ok Thats ludicrous

 

Nah mate thinking that Margarito was only beaten by Pacquiao and Williams is ludicrous.

 

Since Ive known him I was ringside at the majority of his fights they were the only two I saw beat him legitimately
Ypu were in diapers back then lol

 

Mate he was ****ing pummeled by Mosely and what? Whats your excuse for the second Cotto fight? He didn't win a second and had his eye beat shut.
What about Santos? Or was that headbutt a joke? He won clearly.
The shut out losses in his early days he clearly lost them. Mate your whole argument is a joke.

2009? Ok then.
What's so funny about a kid knowing much more about Boxing than you? Coz I don't see it, in fact I think it's quite sad.

 

You havent got a clue about boxing youve never been to a fight or to a gym lol Youre like the clown that liked this post of yours PimpC youre just a troll that DKSAB
Now go to bed sonny its school tomorrow

 

Well then mate your not looking too good. Coz I defo know more than you. It's evident.

So?

Wrong.

Mate chill the **** out it's only a website. If I don't know **** about boxing then what the **** are you? And I notice you can't argue with my points and just fail to insult me so we're done here. Either form a sensible argument or remove yourself.

No it isn't.
It's the summer holidays. Lol