After the Keith Thurman upset, is Manny Pacquiao a greater fighter than Muhammad Ali?

Is there any way that people can just respect each other's opinion without making this into a war? I feel like most people get a knee jerk reaction when others put Pac in the same sentence with Ali but the truth of the matter is that Pac has achieved so much to the point that he SHOULD be mentioned along with other greats such as Ali, Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, etc. The truth is that some of the people here, who were so sure that Pac would lose to Thurman, they ended up to be proven DEAD WRONG and can't accept that Pac is still achieving more and solidifying his ATG legacy even further.

I honestly don't think it's insane for people for people to rate Pac higher than Ali. P4P ranking is purely subjective. I personally don't rank Pac higher since Ali was such a historic figure and has ATG wins that are too great despite being in one division. But they are very close with each other, for me personally. Don't forget that Ali himself has bad losses and has won highly disputed decisions. Give it a couple more years and Pac's resume will look even greater. I just wish people could just accept the idea of Pac being mentioned in the same breathe with Ali.

 

Over time reality is obscured and the myth becomes larger than life. We all nit pick Mannys resume what about Ali?

I see people complaining about Pacquiao’s loss to Mayweather. What about Ali losing in the fight of the Century to Frazier? Terrible officiating second fight (Ali holding), Liston dive, Ken Norton and the Holmes destruction?

Also it’s hard not to consider the fact that Ali’s brains were mashed potatoes by the time his career had ended. Tough dude who let his opponents and sparring partners get to the head way too often.

 

It's close. You won't get a non-biased answer here though. Ali has all the nostalgia in the world powering him, plus this is an American site. Athletes are glorified like heroes here, specially Ali.

 

Yep. Pac's resume is nitpicked to pieces. You can do the same with Ali. He never beat Norton, Fraizer is pretty overrated, scraped by Jimmy Young, second Liston fight could have been a work, got knocked out by Henry Cooper and was helped illegally by his corner. Acted for the judges like he was clowning his opponents easily but really wasn't. I can think or more.

 

Why not? You're holding Horn against Pac? Really? A fight that was darn close? On the other hand, Ali ended up with Parkinson's from the amount of punches he ate in his career, another indication that his defence was not exactly all it was cracked up to be.

Pac's wins are just fine and Ali may have been gifted a win over Norton that he didn't deserve. But let's not talk about that.

Pac > Ali.

 

Problem with Pac is that he's never really dominated or reigned at length over a division the way Ali did-on two separate occasions. The win over Thurman was nice, but One Time just isn't the caliber of opponent to make up for that.

For me, Pac still probably ranks behind Jimmy McLarnin...the fighter who mirrors his trajectory most closely. Just my opinion, but on the whole, I still think that's where Pac would be likely to fall on my all time list.

 

Generally I agree. But Ali wasn't typical lumbering HW with only a big punch he was light on his feet with blazing hand speed who could flat out box. He's exception not the rule at HW. He was just born to be a HW had he been smaller he would have been successful as well.

 

Jimmy Mc ****ing Larnin. LMAO!

 

So I'm supposed to say Ali is better than Pacquiao because Ali ate a metric ****ton of punches from a much smaller fighter and got the W by a ball hair? Um, no.

 

Yeah...

Jimmy McLarnin...

who started at Flyweight and beat an ATG in Pancho Villa. Then he went up through the weights, won a welterweight championship twice, both times beating guys who also ended up up as Top 100 fighters. In between, he beat ten guys who wound up in the IBHOF.

In other eras with multiple sanctioning bodies, he could very easily have titles in 8 divisions.

Feel free to look him up.

 

No...

You're supposed to rate Pac lower because Ali was never dominated and blasted out by someone as unheralded as Medgoen, or KTFO by an ancient, creaky JMM (after receiving a gift against him in the third fight, and quite possibly in their second and first).

I'm not being completely serious...but, then again, neither or you.

 

Because Ali should have never been medically cleared to fight Holmes have you ever seen that fight? Did you even hear what Holmes said about that fight? I take it that you haven't because you can't be that stupid to post what you just posted. Next time educate yourself before going off or continue to look like a jackass and a novice casual.

Pac may have been gifted over JMM 3 times but lets not talk about that. Lets not also talk about his early loses one to a no-hoper later a faded Erik Morales then Bradley then put into a coma by JMM then a boxing lesson by PBF and the still active cherry pick gone wrong loss to Jeff "The Hornet" Horn, that he's yet to avenge I might add.
Ali>Pac

 

That's not true. Ali has definitely beaten the better competition.

Name them, in terms of top 10 in all 8 if his divisions he doesn't have 5 wins over them.

Ali does, in quite possibly the strongest division.
Liston 2*
Frazier 2*
Foreman

Pacquiao has Ricky Hatton and Tim Bradley. That's 3. And that's it. In a weak division historically.

We can compare résumés and Ali's wins by a long distance.

 

Have you seen the fight? It was as close as the Horn fight