After this farce, can Haye ever call the Klit opponents bums again?

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  1. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tony Thompson would have a shot at beating Haye.
     
  2. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Active Member Full Member

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    he fought John Ruiz too...in 2010
     
  3. Madmar

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    British boxing is horrendous, don't expect much but lip flapping from these loud mouth tomato cans. They are all bums after a paycheck they don't deserve.
     
  4. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Active Member Full Member

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    Butterbean would be a better opponent than Audley Harrison. He'd've landed more than one punch.
     
  5. Ivo

    Ivo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fight was the biggest farce I have seen among heavyweight world championships.
     
  6. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Active Member Full Member

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    Chisora and Harrison fight tomorrow, who wins in your opinion?

    People also talk about Haye having as much claim to the heavyweight title as Wlad because they're all paper titles. Ruslan Chagaev in April 2007 defeats Nikolay Valuev for the WBA heavyweight title. He's declared "champion in recess", a bullsh*t designation, by the WBA prior to fighting Wlad Klitschko, which he loses in June 2009. So Wlad Klitschko defeated the WBA champion but did not receive the WBA belt.

    In the meantime, Valuev defeats John Ruiz (funny how he keeps popping up) in August 2008 to "regain" the WBA title even though Chagaev was never defeated. Valuev then loses this title to Haye in November 2009. Neither Haye nor Valuev fought Chagaev since.

    So not only is David Haye a paper belt champion, he's a paper WBA belt champion. :lol: Will he ever fight Ruslan Chagaev? Of course he won't.

    Look, if the Klitschkos are such bad fighters as Haye and his supporters think, why doesn't he go knock them out? He'd make more money after knocking them out than he would in the fight itself, so the contract negotiations excuse is bullsh*t - there's a ton of money to be made being THE heavyweight champion, not holding some belt. He can be that instead of what he is now where every boxing fan outside of the island of Britain views him as a ducking joke.

    But who's Haye fighting next anyway if not a Klitschko Hayemaker supporters?
     
  7. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    See that's the problem. Which one was first, the chicken or the egg? Who was bitching and running his mouth first talking about "crappy opponents"? Was it Wlad or Haye?

    Did Wlad ever say that Haye's opponents (or Valuev's, or Byrd's etc. etc) just both bums? I don't think he ever did.

    But the second Haye moved up to the HW division he started talking **** about the choice of opponents of the Klitschkos. Which would be fine had he managed to do deliver more exciting matchups and choose more dangerous, more skilled and more hungry opponents.

    But he failed. He has 4 HW fights in 2+ years and his choice of opponents is just as bad as the worst Klitschko opponents. Old, over-the-hill bums that just show up to collect a paycheck.

    Haye and his defenders need to understand that he is being measured by the same standards that he applied to others. And according to these standards his HW opposition is pure garbage.
     
  8. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Derek Chisora.
     
  9. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They are all better than Audley Harrison.

    There are also only 1 Paper titlist who is David Haye. Wlad did beat Ruslan Chagaev the real WBA champion. you foolish hater. how the **** you gonna dispute this?

    now go back to those developing kiwi islands and take the David Tua With you. that is the First step to clean out the division of the Junk.:deal
     
  10. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gotta agree, neither Klit has been in a title fight with anyone near as bad as a 39 year old scared Harrison coming off injury without a warm-up.

    Ray Austin was almost as bad, but would have put up a better fight than Harrison last night.

    And yes, Valuev and Ruiz were shot and sucked big time, and are/were nowhere near the quality of Chambers or Peter. Vitali's opponents (since Arreola) haven't been good either.
     
  11. Peter Brit

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    Derek Chirosa might be a better fighter than Audley. I hope and expect him to be a better fighter. At the moment he is an unknown. Much bigger risk than Audley because Audley was Audley (small balls).

    I am sorry but Shannon Briggs had an even thiner claim to be in the ring with Vitial than Audley did with Haye. The difference was Briggs got balls.

    Ruiz was not a bad challenger, he was in shape, and was not shot. If he had of been the fight would have ended in the first round. He is as good as any contender Wladimir has fought based on his record. Note the split decision with Chageva.

    Valuev, is a huge freak of a man. Who yes you can argue got undeserved decisions against Ruiz, Holyfield. However Haye decision not to take a punch off him so clearly you could not argue he landed meant Valuev could never be award the fight. In the Ruiz and Holyfield fights the in close action left room for a bad verdict. Also Haye broke his hand and more importantly showed his power by having the giant doing the chicken dance.

    The Barrett fight was actually dangerous as Barrett had been written off as a journeyman and justed koed two of the next big things in the USA.

    Audley has won as many as he has lost with fighters who have fought top contenders e.g. Sprott, Williams and Rogan.

    Chageva footwork is not good enough to beat Haye. He struggled with Ruiz. He has gone backwards since that fight. Getting more active now so hopefully we will see the Chageva from 2006. Based on the Ruiz fights you bet on Chageva I will take your money, thanks!
     
  12. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Easily. He was champion of nothing, because he was stripped for the belt over year before he faced Waldo.

    You see he constantly pulled out his mandatory defence against Valuev, so he was stripped.

    His entire reign he didnt face single top boxer.
     
  13. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Besides of lucky punch not really.
     
  14. Peter Brit

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    Sorry yes Haye can refer to some of the K brothers fighters as bums.

    Fighters who waste their talent by not getting in shape and not learning to fight.
    Aerola, Peter, (just out of shape chambers, kirk johnson, williams, briggs)

    Old fighters who were once okay.
    Briggs, Rahman, Thompson, Brewster, Austin, Sanders

    Decent fighters of not great quality similar to Haye's quality of oppentent. I think the comment is unfair.
    Chambers, Chageva, Ibragimov, Sosnowski, Brock and Bryd, Gomez.

    Sometimes they show up fighters.
    Williams, johnson Kirk & Kevin, Austin
     
  15. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are you kidding me? For Christ sake are you really that ignore as a finnish boxing fan you dont know why Chagaev lost his title:lol: Why and who do you think planned that Fight to be made at Finland?:think

    If Chagaev is Champion of nothing what the **** would you call David haye?:lol:Champion of the Corrupted Boxing politics?