After two years Super Six clearified almost nothing in SMW

Nice idea that never quite worked out.Nice try and it gave us a couple of good fights.I am pleased,however,that I am still alive to see the final.

 

You dont feel Ward vs Froch is intriguing?

 

If Ward brings out the headbut, no way Froch can stand up to it. Wards headbutts are epic

 

regardless of the flaws of the tournament, does anyone feel we would have seen nearly the number of quality matchups that we did see, without the structure of the tournament? It never would have happened. Therefore, the tournament is a success in my eyes. It gave us 2 years of intriguing fights.

 

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sorry you talking about this guy?? lol.... If Froch wins he has beaten Pascal,Taylor,Dirrell,AA,Johnson,Ward that makes him clear number 1 and the only fight he needs to take is a Kessler rematch to be king of 168. If Ward wins he is clear number 1 and king of 168

Bute needs to get in line...He has no right to jump in with the winner

 

We dont really know the offer Ibox gave Kessler. The 3M$ is a rumor, I saw it on one site, but here in Canada, no $ was revealed. We dont know all the other stuff that could be in a contract.

But that being said, Kessler decide to fight an orthodox fighter instead of a southpaw for his comeback, so he didnt want to fight Bute first. I would have like this fight, but it will not happen. Now I think Kessler have the right to fight anyone he wants, but now it is hard to bash on Bute and the opponent he is facing. If it's ok for Kessler to fight Steiglitz for a belt, it must be ok for Bute to fight Mendy to keep his belt.

 

By your own standard Ward should not have been invited in the S6 and to fight for a title against Kessler, he didnt deserve it. And now if Ward win, who will he face? Kessler again? He already beat him. Froch, if he win the S6 then he have beaten Froch. Who? Direll who already duck him? Who? Then he will retire, because nobody is worthy to face the winner of the S6???

I tell you now, people want to face Bute, he bring money, a belt, an undefeated record, and even when in trouble its fun and exciting to watch. He seems to have Showtime backing him...

Be real man, this "not worthy" is very weird, never heard this before and it's almost as you dont want it, your afraid for your boy? If Bute is so easy to beat why not fight him?

Edit: ok i read later and your boy is Froch then. I agree that if Froch wins it, he will want a rematch with Kessler since he lost to him. But if Ward win... why would he face Kessler? He already won against him and it wasnt close. Kessler have the same "worthyness" to fight Ward than Green or Bika in my opinion (not by resume, but by what they did in the first fight against Ward). And about Froch, I dont think Froch will say "Kessler is more worthy than Bute", he will say "I want a rematch this time in England, it was a close fight" and he would be right to say so.

 

crap 2 years already?

 

Fantastic post :good.

Bute has an overall better resume than Ward

I agree Bute hasnt fought the top guys yet but look at resumes overall

Bute beat Bika - better than Ward,
Miranda - better than Ward,
Andrade twice, first time when Andrade was #3 SMW,
Joppy,
Zuniga, better than Cloud and Cloud beating Zuniga has put him above Dawson
Brinkley
Berrio - Holds a win over Steiglitz
Magee European champ
Mendy undefeated

Ward has beaten
Kessler - A very good win better than any name on Bute resume but remember that Kessler was an unwell fighter
Miranda
Green - who lost to Miranda
Bika
Abraham on a winning run of 1 injury victory and then 2 losses the last being very decisive

Overall Bute has a better resume.



This hole business of a #1 has been altered by The Ring mag to suit themselves ie

The Ring magazine seems very strange to me sometimes in its ratings.

You had Bute as the #1 SMW and Ward at #2 etc. Now for Ward to have gone to #2, he beat #1 Kessler and rightfully went above Kessler but Kessler is Wards only big win and overall Bute has a better resume than Ward even though not better than Froch or Kessler, so Bute became #1. Now Kessler beat Froch and was #3.
Froch beat Abraham coming off a loss and the Ring put Froch above Kessler after Froch had just lost to Kessler. Then Ward beat Bika a fighter Bute had beaten years previously and the Ring put Ward above Bute and made him #1.

Now this is where it seems strange to me.
The Ring is an American based magazine which understandably focuses on American fighters. Now America at this time have NO Ring champions.
Well chances are that the Super 6 final will be between Froch and Ward. Well the Ring sometimes lets the #1 against the #3 be for the Ring title.
It looks like the Ring has a plan in that if Ward was #2 and beat Froch at #3 he couldnt be a Ring champion and if Froch won he couldnt be either, but if they make Ward the #1 for no real reason other than for a win over Bika who Bute had already beaten they could make the winner the Ring champ and fight for their title.
The Ring had no reason to put Ward above Bute or Froch above Kessler. Ratings are supposed to be based on results.


Really the Ring champ should be decided between the winner of the Super 6 and Bute

 

I think the S-6 was a great idea, but they made some fairly serious mistakes when they set it up.

All the fights should have been at the same relatively neutral venue. I think The MGM Grand in Vegas would have been a good venue.

Some of the original six participants were pretty poor choices. Taylor had lost 3 of his previous four fights, and been knocked out in two of them. At the time Ward's best win was a 12 round decision over Edison Miranda. Dirrell's best wins were Hanshaw and Oganov. These three got in, but Hershman said they never seriously considered Bute or Pavlik because including them would have cost to much. Robert Stieglitz already held the WBO title, and probably should have been included on that basis alone.

The round robin portion of the tournament should have had a predetermined schedule with 3 fights on every card. Set the schedule, and if a fighter can't make the date, he loses by forfeit.

The dates for semi finals and finals should have also been set ahead of time with the same forfeit rules of the round robin.

All matters of money should have been settled before the first bell rang.
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The S-6 did make one thing perfectly clear to me! Carl Froch is a serious warrior! Long time members of ESB should think back to pre-tourney days. Froch was running his yap like he does, and repeatedly calling out Kessler, Taylor, and Pavlik. The consensus opinion on ESB was that Froch should shut the **** up because any of the 3 guys he was hollering about might seriously hurt him! Obviously, we got that one wrong!

 

well. they tried something new and the World Cup version of boxing doesnt work out like how Soccer does. In soccer, players get injured, there's back-ups. In boxing, you got a replacement, but its a solo sport lol. The time periods between matches are god awfully long - what is this, like a 3+yr tournament? How they expect people to stay on top of this haha?

I honestly applaud them for trying to do something different, so quit your damn bellyaching cuz some rich peeps tried something new...

Imagine this outcome.... the debatable Bute actually faced with the clear-cut SuperMid champion. And you complaining?

 

What nonsense. Ward and froch are clearly the top 2. The winner of the final is clearly the king at smw. Not only that but they have relevant opponents to defend their championship against in dirrel, bute and kessler.

Look at the fights we've had so far; it's been a huge success.

 

People are mentioning Bute because:

- Showtime made a mistake not inviting Bute. He was second in the division when the tournament began. You can't let the number 2 aside and pretend your tournament crowns THE best. It doesn't work.
- Bute has a belt and it would be great to unify all titles.
- Bute is undefeated.
- Bute knocks everyone put in front of him.
- Bute sells.
- Bute has an agreement with Showtime to face the super 6 winner and the broadcaster has more onfluence than you, fortunately.
- Last but not least, because it would make a hell of a fight.

 

kings my @ss. They fought AA and Johnson to get into the final, two gatekeepers at 168. The whole turnament was a big waste of time. We could have had much better fights in the meanwhile.

 

AA was considered as a CO-FAVORITE of the tournament. This isnt just my opinion, but the general consensus of the boxing community. Your opinion cannot skew this.

I agree that AA was and is over-rated, but that doesnt dismiss him being considered the co-favorite of the Super6, due to his wins in the ring....

He's a champion in a weak division, he's a strong gatekeeper in a very strong division...

Half these fights we would NEVER see. To take the opponent selection out of the promoters hands is one of the best moves ive ever seen. Dirrell vs AA was an obvious stylistic mismatch and AA's camp would have NEVER let that fight happen outside of a tournament...