After Watching Kessler.....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Leeroy, Oct 8, 2007.


  1. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    Unimpressive fight against Sakio Bika and his punches seem less snappy than when he was younger. Plus he is getting around the age where speed and reflexes tend to drop off.
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Convincing?

    You should know me by now!

    I'm expecting a
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    win.:D
     
  3. ThePlugInBabies

    ThePlugInBabies ♪ ♫ Full Member

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    bika was a dirty, nasty fight, bikas tactics meant joe was never going to look good. your last point about his speed is simply guess work.
     
  4. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good, then I expect there will be no excuses from either camp after the fight.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I hate how people ignore that Joe was not only injured in training camp, but also had little sparring and preparation for it and was heavily distracted by other personal things going on in his life, nearly had an emotional breakdown because of it in the hotel room the night before, yet he still goes out and deals with a dirty ******* who utilises excessive amounts of illegal tactics to stay in the fight after he was bitched in the first 2 rounds and doesn't get DQed.

    Bika pulls a John Ruiz style fight and Joe still wins wide, 9 rounds to 3 or 8 to 4 depending and people claim that Bika was dealing with a focused, fully prepared Calzaghe and that the fight itself was a set back.

    Then Bika goes on to face a fully prepared and focused up and comer in Lucian Bute and loses a relatively close fight, where Bute won 7 rounds to 5 on my card and where Bika won rounds 1 - 4 easily by fighting conventionally.

    But then they'll just pass off that Bute is not that good, when we know he's a capable potential champion outright.
     
  6. nrgetic

    nrgetic Active Member Full Member

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    Kessler ability is greater than Lacy's and Lacy's IQ is no greater than Kessler's shoes size in terms of the tactics that he used against Calzaghe - expect a very different fight between Calzaghe and Kessler. Good luck using Calzaghe vs Lacy (or the Manfredo fight for that matter) as a reference point - that is plain silly.
     
  7. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess that goes both ways.;)
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No excuses. If MK wins really handily, then we'll assume that he'd have always beaten Calzaghe.

    If MK wins really close and Calzaghe gives him hell, then we'll assume that a peak/peak fight is up in the air for discussion.

    If JC wins period, we'll agree that a peak JC is one nasty fight for anyone in history, save Roy Jones.

    If JC 'lacy's' him or dominates, then god save the forum from Calzaghe fans....

    Agreed?:yep
     
  9. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    I actually wasn't aware of Joe Calzaghes situation before the Bika fight. Fair enough if thats the case.

    With the same logic, Kessler was injured (back?) before the Mundine fight and did much less sparring than usual. He convincingly beat Mundine regardless, in his backyard. :yep
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Yes, those are the facts from the Calzaghe/Bika bout.

    Have I ever said anything negative of Kessler from Mundine? I count it as a superior win than one over that overrated joke Jermain Taylor, because Mundine is all around a better fighter than Taylor.

    I give him credit for adjusting and shutting out Mundine, who is a tough fighter to beat, much less totally outclass down the stretch for most fighters in general.

    But Mundine's speed would always give MK some trouble at points, even though Mundine would never win. Mundine's a wasted talent, it's amazing that he won't just take the steps to even do anything after his good victories over Green and Soliman. I wonder why, he faced Mikkel Kessler, obviously is not intimidated by most if he was willing to fight MK...

    Maybe he's just insane.
     
  11. HolgerD

    HolgerD Armscontrol Full Member

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    Calzaghes has many combos to rely on, sure enough. He just seems to leave his head and torso way open during the combos. That also explains why his most dangerous punches tend to land with an angle instead of going straight in. My guess is that Kessler is willing to trade a Calzaghe overhand
    right for one of his own straight rights. Comparing the power of the two, this could very well be the end of Calzaghe or at least discourage Calzaghe from throwing tons of combos.
     
  12. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :admin :rofl :rofl
    My god CHJ will be a right pain to deal with!
     
  13. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know that you won't make excuses but I think some people will (from both camps). I don't agree with your first point though, no matter how convincingly Kessler should beat Calzaghe, I still think Calzaghe would be favourite to win in his prime with the ability to use his full power.
     
  14. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    Just stirring you up a bit.
     
  15. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    If Kessler dominates Calzaghe (doubt it) and shows he can deal with a wild unorthodox style, I don;t see why you would still favour Calzaghe prime vs prime.