After watching Taylor's performance last night

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Josh Taylor reminds me of a poor mans Artur Beterbiev. Both are decent, but average technicians. Both dont have the best footwork. But both rely on decent, but not great technique. The main thing is both are super reliant on grit, power, toughness and physicality. Except, here is the difference. Beterbiev actually has ATG strength and power. Taylor cant bully the top guys like Beterbiev can.
     
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  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Calm down.

    Taylor is a good fighter and he'll look also good at 147 albeit i don't see him beating the big boys there.

    He had a rough camp with a knee injury, Covid and a chest infection. Probably should have waited another 2 or 3 months before returning to the ring.

    He always had a very rough weight cut to make 140 pounds and with a chest infection, a knee injury and Covid he probably couldn't even train as much as he wanted to get the weight down early.

    Most people also thought Catterall is a domestic bum with a padded record. No, he isn't. He's actually pretty good for a guy nobody really knew before.

    People shouldn't be so harsh on Taylor for this one. His performance wasn't good. He should have lost the fight. But i give him a pass here regarding his performance.

    After fighting so many elite fighters in his weight class and the rough circumstances for this one everyone should calm the **** down and respect what he did over the last few years.

    He will give us a couple of more entertaining fights at 147 in the future.
     
  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Taylor is a tough, strong fighter, but he is not as physically imposing as people suggest.

    Poor mans Beterbiev in my estimation.
     
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  4. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Come on man. He roughed up Ramirez and Prograis on the inside. Saying he isn't imposing is kind of a stretch. Of course he's not a Heavyweight at Super Lightweight lol but those guys are mean and strong mofos and he did super well using his size and strength. Catterall had a career best performance and Taylor probably one of the worst. Judging a fighter by ONE performance is like saying Tyson Fury is **** because he looked like **** against Pianeta. Calm down. Taylor will beat some really good guys at 147 and people will say "Ohhhh wow Taylor is back he's soo freaking good!!!111"
     
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  5. bulldoze

    bulldoze Member Full Member

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    When did he have Covid? I haven't seen that reported anywhere
     
  6. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    I think in October. He talked about it in an interview a couple of days ago. Said he couldn't do any S&C and runs for the first date and the knee injury also made him hesitant to run to get the weight down as he didn't want the problems to come back for the second date of the fight. The way he looked...there was something off with him. The camp was just a big mess i assume. There is no reason to find an excuse but sometimes you don't need an excuse, just an explanation. He also said he never really stopped training despite having all that so i assume he probably had a grueling 5 month camp with all kind of problems and his body just didn't take it too well and reacted that way. He also looked like a zombie on the scales on Friday.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Did David Haye stomp on his toe on the way to the ring?
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Did Covid stop him from slipping shots? His head movement was awful.
     
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  9. bulldoze

    bulldoze Member Full Member

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    If he did have Covid and a chest infection then doing a hard weight cut on top of that wouldn't be ideal preparation.

    I had Covid and a chest infection at the start of the year and I still haven't physically recovered, in fact I feel I am a shadow of what I was previously. The thought of having to do a heavy weight cut on top of that would make me physically sick.

    Will see what he does at 147 as the way he looked on the scales would suggest we shouldn't see him at 140 again.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This notion that JT is some crude unskilled bum now is quite comical. One bad performance in a fight where something was clearly majorly off with him and he looked a way worse version than the one we've seen in every single one of his previous fights up until now and everything he has achieved prior to it, even though he's still only had 19 fights, been on an incredibly steep leaning curve, has a brilliant resume for someone of so few fights, and has unified an entire division before the vast majority of most people's current favs had even won a single world title fight, and it's all suddenly forgotten.

    In Terry Crawford's 23rd fight he was badly hurt, and it took him 60 seconds to recover fully, from a solitary hand from the way naturally smaller and lighter Gamboa who should be 7-5 at and has only stopped 2 of his 12 opponents at the weight, one of whom was shot. If Gamboa was the same size as him that right hand would've finished him of that I am certain.

    In Tyson Fury's 21st fight he was dropped heavily and went life and death against a light-hitting CW who he outweighed by 44 pounds and he had to turn it into a physical battle of attrition, using his size and weight mauling and leaning all over the much smaller man to pull out the win.

    In his 30th fight Tyson ''The Gypsy King'' Fury went life and death against and was hurt by a 20-0 Ottomatic and had he not been the A side the fight would've 100% been stopped due to the cut he sustained. Ottomatic looked very poor in his last fight against an 11-24-2 Sokowlowski whose record is admittedly deceptive. Are Tyson and Ottomatic crude unskilled bums now?

    A 25-0 Twink just went life and death against an oompa loompa in his previous fight, winning via a single point on two of the PBC judge's cards in a fight many felt he lost including myself felt he lost and one in which had the ref not been in the bag he would've 100% lost.

    Teofimo just lost to a Kambosos who won his previous 2 fights by SD, one against a career 126 pounder who'd only been at the weight for a couple of fights, the other against a inactive way past prime 36 y/o who had only fought once in three and a half years, against a 3-5-1 tomato can.

    It took Beterbiev 12 and 10 rounds respectively to get Deines and Koelling out of there and he looked flat as hell and well below par against the former when he, like JT, was coming back from injury and Covid.


    A 27-0 Jermallo should've lost to an old way past prime inactive Korobov who literally hadn't fought anyone with a pulse in four years, had only fought once in 25 months, a six rounder against a complete can who was like 2-11 in their last 13, 9 of said losses inside schedule.

    There are countless more examples of this kind of thing but what there are very few of examples of it happening to are fighters who have fought the level of competition and achieved what JT has (unifying a division and becoming P4P #5 in just 18 fights (19 now).

    He was coming back from a bad knee injury, Covid, a chest infection, ballooning up in weight to the biggest I've ever seen him which obviously had a lot to do with the injury, and he looked skeletal and deathly ill at the weigh in, much worse than usual, which many pointed out. And you could see he was very tense and nervous during his ring walk too which I picked up on immediately.
     
  11. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Shut up fool and stop quoting me. Put me on your ignore list pls. I don't want to have any conversation with you. You're annoying the hell out of me for weeks now.
     
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  12. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Astute analysis.
     
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  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    The question is why do you think he was off? Is it weight or is it propensity to want to have a war to much? If it is the latter that does not bode well against technically savvy fighters. There were moments went Caterall was looking a clone of Floyd and Canelo skills wise.
     
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  14. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think there are multiple variables here:-

    1. The weight cut combined with Covid & chest infection
    2. All the pressure of the homecoming etc - he was way too emotional - as Serge said his ring walk was off
    3. Possibly related to 1 and the knee injury is the ballooning in weight and lack of training
    4. Last - and by no means least - Catterall brough his A-game and was as slippery as an eel, and gave Josh fits early, which exacerbated his tension and smothering his own work

    I'd also say I was none too impressed with Davdisons corner advice either

    Josh will come again, and hopefully will take this as a bullet dodged and really buckle down - maybe, just maybe, he let the whole undisputed thing blow too much smoke up his own arse as well
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The answer should be self evident to you.... it's hidden in broad daylight.;)
     
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