after Whitaker, who is the greatest of past 20 years

Past 20 years 2008-1988

1.Jones
2.Whitaker
3.Mayweather
4.Lopez
5.Hopkins
6.Delahoya
7.Lewis
8.Mosley
9.Tito
10.Holyfield

 

With all due respect to PAC, I don't think he's done enough to surpass
MAB yet!(even with his 2-0 H2H record over MAB)

A case can also be made for Morales being rated higher than PAC right now!

 

How many mediocre alphabetic beltholders and even bums you may mention just to show your bias :-(

 

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Pernell Whittaker

 

Mayweather has more knockouts, while getting hit less, and was never legitimately knocked down, unlike Whittaker who was dropped by Roger Mayweather, who was not on Floyds talent level as a boxer, despite some hints to it by some of the posters on here, he was the Zab Judah of his day. Who didnt beat Roger Mayweather?

Whittaker also had quite a few controversial decesions go against him, so how can he have dominated in a bigger fashion then Floyd? Who has never ever been hurt? Or in his last 3 fights, hit?

 

atsch Here is a slap for you. Nobody that knows boxing feels it was a clear decision for Castillo, if you actually watch the fight and the fact Floyd won 4-5 rounds in a row in the beginning of the fight and the decision was razor thin either way, not to mention Floyd dominating Castillo in the rematch. He beat Castillo legitimately twice, get over it. Dont make me bring up Marquez *******.

Another slap. atsch Corrales was never top quality? Wins over Freitas, Casamayor and Castillo, 3 years after he lost to Floyd is not top quality? You do know who Acelino Freitas and Joel Casamayor are dont you?

Sorry is Cesar Chavez is not entered in as a W on Whittakers resume. But I guess what you are saying is Frankie Randall has a better resume then both Whittaker and Floyd since he is actually the first to beat Chavez then? :rofl Come on ******* look at the whole body of work, not just one fighter. No fighter has gone 5 divisions without losing a single fight. 18-0 in title fights, the best of this generation by far.

Whittaker never beat De La Hoya or Chavez. If you wanna start giving credit for fights lost then Oscar De La Hoya is the best fighter of the last 20 years since he has a better comp list then anybody, sad thing is, he lost most of his big fights. And Hopkins was not prime when he fought Roy Jones btw, still green.

Floyd has a better resume and was a better fighter then Whittaker. And by resume I mean wins. You dont put a job you were fired at down on your resume, it should work that way for boxers, you shouldnt put down fights you lost, even though they were robberies according to most.

 

Mayweather having more knockouts isn't relevant, Whitaker had a completely different style to Mayweather and fought better opposition. Most of the knockdowns against Sweet Pea where due to him being off balance, with the Mayweather one being an exception. You must consider that it was only Whitaker was fighting Mayweather in only his 12th fight, who himself was considered a good former champion (with excellent punching power).

Despite being inexperienced at the time Whitaker won a very clear decision over Mayweather (something like 9 rounds to 3). If you consider Roger the Zab Judah of his day, then isn't it impressive that Whitaker was able to beat him clearer than Floyd did to Zab? Especially considering it was only his 12th pro fight.

I don't understand where you got the feeling that he got hit more than Whitaker, who himself is considered by many the greatest defensive fighter ever. He was also a better offensive fighter than Floyd as he was able to keep a high workrate and a brutal body attack, while almost never being hit. This is evident to those who have seen alot of both fighters. Floyd was knocked down by Judah also, all though it was not called by the referee.

If you feel that Mayweather beat the better opponents I'd like to here youre reasons why. Which of Mayweather's opponents have been a first ballot HOFer in or around their prime, the only true HOFer Maywetaher has defeated is Oscar. At that stage in his career De La Hoya was good but badly faded, he was hardly the same fighter Whitaker arguably beat 10 year earlier.

Let's compare their performances against DLH. Both Whitaker and Mayweather are around the same size, so no fighter has an advantage in that department. The difference lies in the stage of the careers both where at, Mayweather was near or a little past his peak, while Whitakerwas faded and not the same fighter from 5 years previous. Oscar was a few years past his best against Mayweather, however against Whitaker he was near his absoloute peak.

Despite all these things Floyd was held to a split decision (I scored it 116-112 Mayweather) by DLH and was out fought by Oscar at certain stages. Many people feel had Oscar not abandoned his jab he may have won of the judges score cards.

Although he was a faded champion against a prime HOFer, Whitaker showed tremendous skills and arguably defeated a peak Oscar. I'm not going to argue who won the fight, as it could of gone either way (I personally had it 114-113 Whitaker, can give RBR breakdown) the point is a past it Sweet Pea performed similiarly against prime DLH than Mayweather against a faded version fo the same fighter. Yes he may have lost on the judges scorecards, but he undoubtedly proved that had he been a few years younger he would have defeated his opponent.

Now lets take a look at some of their other opponents.

Whitaker beat-
Roger Mayweather
Greg Haugen
Jose Luis Ramirez
Azumah Nelson (Top 10 P4P, first ballot HOFer)
Jorge Paez
Rafael Pineda
Buddy Mcgirt x2 (Consensus top 5 P4P in the world)
Julio Cesar Vasquez (Just destroyed Winky Wright, tougher test at 154 than DLH was for Mayweather)

He holds other wins over decent contenders like Rivera x2 (First fight was controversial), Freddie Pendleton and others.

Whitaker lost to-
Jose Luis Ramirez... If this was a close fight I would consider it as a loss, however it was an absouloute robbery and arguably a shutout for Whitaker. If you don't believe that than your kidding yourself.

Oscar De La Hoya
I discussed this fight before, Whitaker performed well enough in not to be discredited. Arguably won.

Felix Trinidad
The only clear-cut loss of Whitaker's career, despite being shot and coked up he was beating the young HOFer for the first 4 rounds. Trinidad at that stage was better than anyone Mayweather ever faced.

Draw with Julio Cesar Chavez
Again I don't discredit Whitaker for this as it was a highly controversial decision. He clearly out-fought Chavez and should have won handily on the judges scorecards, Whitaker should be given credit for a clear-cut win over a formidable HOFer and top P4Per. I wouldn't bring this up if it weren't such a robbery.

Mayweather has wins over:
Genaro Hernandez
Diego Corrales (Top 10 P4P)
Carlos Hernadez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo x2 (first fight controversial, I give him benefit of the doubt)
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar De La hoya (Faded, but still good)
Ricky Hatton (top 10 P4P)

None of the fighters listed here are superior to one of Whitaker's best wins in Azumah Nelson, who himself is a 1st ballot HOFer and considered by many to be a top 100 All time fighter. Not to mention Whitaker dominated him winning 9+ rounds, this trumps any of Mayweathers displays considering the opponent.

Julio Cesar Vasquez was better than DLH at that stage, Vasquez was coming off a win over Winky Wright while Oscar was inactive with very few recent wins. Both Whitaker and had some trouble with their opponent, I personally feel Sweet Pea's victory was more clear-cut against a superior opponent. Vasquez at this time was thought fo highly and avoided by many top fighters.

Whitaker's wins over Ramirez/Haugen are far better than Floyd's wins over Chaves/Hernandez. Floyd struggled somewhat against Chavez although he won, while Whitaker utterly dominated 2 superior opponents in brutal displays. Both Ramirez and Haugen have better resumes than Chavez/Hernadez and where thought of mroe highly.

Two wins over buddy McGirt are alot better than 2 wins over Jose Luis Castillo. McGirt was considered very dangerous and top5 P4P, while Castillo was at that time considered a good champion coming of questionable wins over Stevie Johnson. Both Floyd and Pea had a tough fight against their opponent the first time out, although Floyd's win was the more scrutanised. In the rematches both fighters improved, Floyd won a clear 8-4 decision and Whitaker put on a dominant display.

The difference between the wins is that McGirt was a better fighter than Castillo and Whitaker won more clearly. McGirt is a very underrated fighter and a superb tactician, Castillo is certainly great well.

You yourself said that Roger Mayweather was a Zab Judah. In that case Whitaker's win was superior as he won in only his 12th fight and in more dominant fashion. Both Floyd and Pea were dropped in their fights (although the ref didnt call Floyd's), however Floyd was outclassed at the begging and Whitaker was cearly the better throughout. Floyd dropped 4 rounds while Pea only dropped 2-3. Top wins for both guys, I give Whitaker the endge due to his inexperience at the time.

Your last comment about Floyd never being hurt is ludicrious, he was wobbled badly by Chop Chop Corley. The only times Whitaker was hurt badly was against Hurtado and Trinidad, both well past his best and against bigger men (who are both noted punches). You're an idiot if you say Floyd hasn't been hit once in his last three fights, of course he has. He dropped rounds on the judges scorecards to DLH and to Hatton, you don't lsoe rounds if you're not hit once.

Well thats my analysis, I missed out plenty and will glady continue tomorrow. In my opinion and most others Whitaker > Mayweather. Now I must sleep.

 

Great post.

 

Decent post, but annoying in the sense that you went to all the trouble to mention some fights were Pea might have been wronged but neglected to mention(as most people do) the gift(s) he got against W. RIvera!

 

No. 1 = Roy Jones Jr. :good

 

Sorry about that, I wrote it at 1am and like I said missed out on alot of things. I personally have only seen the Rivera rematch, which I though was a clear win for Whitaker, I've heard mixed reviews in regards to the first fight (The majority I've met said Whitaker won in a close fight).