after Whitaker, who is the greatest of past 20 years

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Probably Davarryl Williamson.

LOL

 

It was stopped on cut. And the rest also sounds pretty mediocre. Nothing special, it's no better then Gonzalez, Harding or Woods on RJJ's resume.

Again very mediocre

Not impressive also because Paez and Bramble lost to too many.

I won't argue against you just because I fell asleep and can't make myself rewatch it again.

As a whole, padding Whitaker's resume with such guys against RJJ is purely ridiculous, I can pad RJJ's resume the same way:

Gonzalez stopped the winning streak of Michalchewsky
Woods had 3 close fights with Glen Johnson 1-1-1 and won Gonzalez
Harding won Tarver
Griffin had 2 close wins over Toney
Sosa lost only SD to Toney and won Prince Charlez Williams and Glen Johnson
Eric Lucas drawed with Echols and KOed Mercado
Harmon KOed Tim Littles
etc etc etc

It's just piontless, this is just hype job, I prefer to list top guys both faced, they look at least par. Personally I feel RJJ thought better opposition and he gets my vote, so

#1 RJJ
#2 Sweat Pea

 

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Where are his fights with Camacho, Rosario, Taylor and Quartey then? Sweat Pea is no better in this department than RJJ.

RJJ#1
Whitaker#2

 

Rjj

 

Alot of people who refuse to rank Roy Jones as the highest because he was cautious and never met fighters at their prime etc, etc, etc

But even if you say Jones was all these type of things - regardless - his talent and ring generalship in the ring was awesome and easy to see how good he was

he was the number 1 pound for pound of the last 20 years even if he did beat up a few too many tomatoe cans

But he unified the Light Heavyweight Division - despite the fact he is not even a Light Heavyweight!!!!!!!!

 

Nonsense. Sweet Pea fought a more offensive style as you said yet has less knockouts, way less knockouts then Floyd, this actually goes against Pea. And please, Sweat Pea's comp and Mayweathers comp was virtually equal. Angel Manfredy, Genero Hernandez, Carlos Hernandez, Castillo X2, Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Hatton, Oscar. The only difference in reality is Sweat Pea has Azumah Nelson as you said a 1st ballot hall of famer, however, Hatton very well might be a first ballot hall of famer, his career is not over yet, and that would give Floyd 2 hofers on his wins list. Remember we are talking about wins, not defeats, if we were talking defeats and draws, Oscar would be the best of the last 20 years.

Inconsequential. Floyds never been knocked down. Even Zab Judahs kd which was never scored was the definition of being caught off balance and it was so quick the ref didnt see it. Sweet Pea was actually hurt against Roger Mayweather, and no contrary to your assertion, Floyd was not hurt by Corely, he wasnt caught flush and simply backed into the ropes and let Corley punch himself out. Floyd has never been hurt.

More nonsense. Floyd won 9-3 aswell on 2 of the 3 judges scorecards I believe. The only people who gave Judah a fourth round were those who scored the 12th for him. Roger vs Pea was a war, they were both landing hard blows. After the 4 round of the Judah and Mayweather fight it was virtually a technical beat down in favor of Floyd who simply walked Judah down and out classed him rarely getting hit. Its obvious Floyd fought the easier fight, as he tends to do given his ability, he is rarely ever drawn into wars.

Analysis of Floyds compubox statistics compared to roy Jones and Sweet Pea.

Floyd landed at a 46% rate, Jones 48%, Sweet Pea 44%. Floyd was hit at a rate of 22%, Jones 28%, Sweet Pea 28%.

Take from that what you will, but its clear Floyd has the edge in not getting hit, which I would think is an essential part of defense is it not?

Oscar peak in 97? Uhh I dont think so. Oscar was at his peak in and around the Tito fight. Something else you forget to mention is the size difference. Oscar and Pea fought at Welter, a more natural weight class for Pea. While Mayweather fought Oscar at 154, his 5th count em, 5th weight class, and many think Mayweather was at his best at 130, and he was fighting a natural 154lb fighter. And no Oscars jab had nothing to do with him losing, infact today I will be making a thread about that very same myth. Oscar rarely popped his jab at the beginning of the fight and even Steward says that he should be using his jab more and this is round 5! Anyone not biased could see Mayweather dominated that fight particularly as the fight dragged on, Oscar had some moments but Mayweather landed most of the meaningful blows, and Oscar was damn near at a 20% connect percentage and some rounds didnt land more then 10 punches.

 

Since you're still posting the same ****, let me post my same response again:

When was he ever in the same weight division as Camacho? When he was pro for a year? Yeah, what a duckage. When was he ever in the same weight division as Meldrick Taylor? After 1992, you mean after he got KO'ed by Crisanto Espana? Yeah Whitaker should have fought him then.

As for Rosario, he tried the novel idea of fighting the guy who actually knocked him the **** out to unify the titles. Novel idea I know.

Michelczewski was the elephant in the light heavyweight room for a good five years and both he and Jones didn't have the balls to make the fight happen.

I'll add about the Quartey fight, Whitaker was actually scheduled to fight him in 1998 before he tested positive for Cocaine.

He had more heart and more balls than Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather put together.

 

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Questioning Whitaker's (who fought the likes of Chavez, Ramirez, Vazquez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Mayweather, McGirt, Rivera, Haugen, Nelson, Paez, etc.) guts in the ring is ****ing insanity.

 

The difference is Whitaker fought 3 guys in the top 75 all time in or around their primes. Floyd has fought one guy in the top 75 when he was past his prime. No other opponent of Floyd's esume will see the light of day on an educated top 150 all time list.

Floyd was hurt several times when he fought Castillo. One being when Castillo broke his ribs and Floyd fell along the ropes. That should have been called a knockdown.

Whitaker was in his 12th pro fight and wasn't even in his prime. It was a way more impressive feat given the circumstances than Floyd's 'dominant' 3 point win over Judah.

The unsignified variables being that Floyd's opponents have not been as good as Whitaker's and Floyd has been a pot shot safety first fighter for much of his career. Whitaker wasn't.

Oscar was peak before he even got to welterweight. And Oscar is not close to a natural 154 pounder.

Personally, I think Whitaker lost more moving from lightweight to welterweight than what Mayweather did in the same move. Floyd actually looked average at 135, but looked better at 140 and 147.

 

U can agree to this, u can put whitaker at second too and I would agree.

 

you mean DM never made his name in the US and courted a fight with jones, don't you?

i'm tired of people saying "jones should have fought calzaghe"

"jones should have fought eubank"

"jones should have fought sensai muhammed bruce lee..."

IF you want to fight the P4P best you can either go across the water and make it happen or you can sit in your comfort zone and wrack up wins (and paydays) against lesser mortals and crow all you like....

but because you wear feathers DOES NOT make you a chicken!