After Wladimir Klitschko fights 5 more times, where will this leave him in the ATG?

Lewis has been sparked by lesser hw than Sanders.

Also you didnt answer what was lewis's best win? The rahman rematch was nice to bad he wanted absolutely no part of a klitschko rematch.

Wlad is bigger, better jab, better left hook, better athlete, more power and a better chin.

 

Do not forget Schulz, he was robbed of the belt by Foreman, and lost a split decision to Botha, Botha was roided to the gills. Schulz would have been a champion had he not been screwed twice.

 

Uh, no that's really not fair. He's fairly indisputably top 10 now. If he does that, and I would agree, that's a not inconsequential "if", there's not a logic centered argument that wouldn't have him in top 5. Assuming he does that, he will have unified (never done before at HW with this many belts) broken the overall successful HW title defense mark. If he does that, it probably won't be hard to pick up two more wins to set the time and consecutive title mark. That is a level of dominance never seen before.

Subjective, "poor era" arguments and bringing up fighters he lost to before he got his act together only gets you so far. I'd say its reasonable to knock him down from #1, which should be his default position with that level of dominance, to #3, maybe even 5 for people who just can't stand him. It's actually laughable, though, to say as you do that someone who has the record for title defenses and time as champ, along with all his other assets, only barely edges into the top 10.

 

Agree with most of this, but Lewis had a better chin. Both Wlad and Lewis had underrated chins, but Lewis's is extremely underrated. People rightly credited Vitali with a great chin for standing up after Lewis's onslaught. But Lewis was taking hard shots from Vitali too, and a lot more of them than Vitali took, and he never went down either.

 

People need to realize Wlad is a living legend. Right here in front of us. Its like when people were ridiculing Lewis, or Holmes, or Ali during their active time.

 

How did you come to that conclusion:huh

MaCall would have beaten Sanders and Rahman knocked out a better version of Sanders than the one shackled Wlad in Two.

 

When Fury beats him, it'll be interesting to see where he goes from there. Maybe a rematch and get beat again, that'll still leave 3 more fights I believe

 

Living legends don't cheat, foul and fight like cowards.

 

There are actually a lot of guys who could go on the list. My point is that Wlad did dominate during a weak era, but dominated for so long that he has still managed to put together a record that is stellar by any standards.

The Leapai and Pianeta types are the exception.

 

Wlad to me remains a curious case. He has tremendous ability yet is not a natural fighter like his brother is.
He has had an amazingly dominant run with almost no highlights one would remember.
He is head and shoulders clear of anyone in this era yet in the 90's would have struggled to sustain any decent run.

 

You realise Sanders was knocked out by Rahman right?

You just owned yourself with your own post atschatsch:rofl:rofl

 

This is a mandatory defense. Fury won't have to grant Wlad a rematch.

 

Weak era my a** Dempsey would probably have been Knocked out by Kovalev, they are about the same size anyways :good

 

Fury will probably want to put another beat down on him

 

Well, yes, a lot of those former "great" champions would be crusiers and fighting cruisers. I'll do you one better and say that I can see no scenario in which even our cruiser champs would be getting knocked down by fat talentless thugs like Tony Galento. Athletes have evolved and in an absolute sense, Wladdy is fighting some of the best ever.

Really what I mean is that most of the guys in this era would not have been able to compete in the 90s or 70's, with the exception of Byrd, Povetkin, Chagaev, etc.

By the way, I think this era is much, much better than pre-Tyson 80s. Wladdy sure isn't running screaming from fat drug addicts like loudmouth Larry did against Page and Thomas.

We are on the same side so I am not going to argue it too much. The bottom line is that Wlad's record now dwarfs that of most so called "greats," even though it took him some time to put it together.