Do I have this right: Old age does not detract from a win on a resume Decline of physical ability does not detract from a win on a resume Achieving all wins in your back yard as the A side does not detract from wins on a resume Being comprehensively outboxed and losing does not detract from your resume Being repeatedly knocked down and quitting against a lower top 10 fighter does not detract from your resume A few questions: Do people who believe this also believe that Calzaghe has great wins over Roy and Hopkins? If losses don't count, is Darnell Boone actually an ATG? Is there a genuine belief that a 41 year old, two years out of the ring, clearly slowed Klitschko is "better" than a 39 year old champion Klitschko, or is it a joke? Thanks
The thing is, his wins over Pulev and Povetkin, for example, are nothing special even if these boxers were in their prime. Pulev has always been a pudding and Povetkin has never held a legitimate world title - although he is a lot better than Pulev. Joshua has had 2 50-50 bouts in his whole career and scraped by one and lost one. He was also beaten by a morbidly obese midget on short notice - battered. The Joshua crowd do not think a record should be weighted on wins and losses. They are obsessed with pretending that the likes of Martin, Breazeale, Takam, Molina and co. are "top 10" wins. Even Parker is one of the best names on his record and the bout against him was utterly pathetic.
Very good. Much In agreement. Joshua record not impressive but win over Povetkin much better than win over Wilder. Wilder beat Ortiz Povetkin beat Whyte. Whyte got win over Rivas, Chisora and Parker Ortiz got win over Jennings and Hammer Povetkin also beat Hammer. Povetkin also destroy Duhaupas, Wilder struggle with Duhaupas
Power is the last thing to go. Povetkin is a known quantity. Whyte is overrated and over exposed - getting starched by an even older Sasha than Joshua beat showed that.
Beating Povetkin, Whyte and Parker are all solid wins, all of them exist or existed in the top 4-10, avenging the Ruiz defeat was good. Beating old klitchko still very good win.
Fury's resume - Old faded Wlad, paper champion Wilder and gate keeper Chisora. Usyk's resume - AJ, gate keeper Chisora These are the 2 resume's AJ's resume is up against, 5 good wins combined at heavyweight. AJ's may or may not be the best, but his is the deepest with old faded Wlad, Parker, Pulev, old faded Povetkin, Ruiz and Whyte. Fact is AJ has always looked for tough fights basically since Wlad and I don't begrudge him the recognition of deepest resume because he's earned it. If you can't respect that then what can you respect, is it better he cherry pick like Wilder? I have no issue with anyone saying Fury or Usyk's resume is better because they do have better wins just not as many good wins. It's all a matter of opinion anyway depending on your criteria.
I tend to think the two Klitschko wins (Fury and AJ) are closer to equal than a lot of posters give credit for. I do still rate Fury's win more highly, but Wlad didn't really look himself that night, didn't let his hands go anywhere near enough - okay he was older and had been inactive before AJ, but he was far more likely to win that fight because he was actually in the mood to fight. Wlad knew he wasn't right against Fury and badly wanted the rematch - it would've been interesting to see what would've happened. Get beyond that and AJ's beaten a bunch of top ten fighters - they may have been ageing at the time but they still belonged there. What does Fury have? Wilder - a somewhat unknown quantity with a big punch but only one top ten opponent on his resume, the shell of an old Cuban who'd done **** all with his own career. AJ's had losses, but he avenged the one and looked pretty skilled in the other (even if it was completely the wrong tactical approach to try and go skill for skill with an ATG skilled fighter)... Fury might not have the losses, but he doesn't have all that many fights against guys who were ever likely to beat him - and he still got lucky with a few of those (Wallin? Cunningham?). I think it's still fair to say AJ has the better resume even if I do think Fury probably wins if they ever fight.
It took the perfect shot and Whyte looked a little vulnerable in his recent fights leading up to it. Says more about this era of HW than anything else.
Ortiz pitched shut out against Wilder before ko and almost stopped him in first fight. Wilder lucky bell rang. Povetkin set Whyte up with shot. No lucky shot. Povetkin get full credit. Must look at facts. Ortiz beat Jennings. Whyte beat Rivas and Parker. That mean Win over Whyte much better than win over Ortiz and bodybuilder beat Povetkin who beat Whyte. Whyte water chin but top 10 still. Pretty sure it mean win over Povetkin better than win over Wilder. Fury fight same guy three times. Impressive win but same guy three times and 3rd performance wasn't as dominant as second ? Lets get not carried away
Chisora was not a gatekeeper when Fury beat him twice; he was top 5 and in his prime. Fury turned him into a gatekeeper. The two version of Vlad (the main measuring stick we have here) are NOT equal. This useless myth being passed around is the result of a fanboy echo chamber. Again, 39 year old champ who still looks decent >>>>>>> 41 year old beltless, 2 year layoff, slow ass Vlad. The fact that Fury was barely touched MATTERS, I don't care how boring you thought it was. The fact that Fury went to Germany MATTERS. These wins are not equal, not even close. It's cute to sum up Wilder as just "Wilder (bum)" on a resume and not 3x Wilder. Wilder is a huge danger for any HW, especially two years ago when he was undefeated. The three wins by Fury are very good wins. Onto AJ's other wins: Parker is a good win, definitely. Povetkin, old, yeah, but a good win. Ruiz was 282 lbs, apathetic, and the manner in which AJ won was not good, this is not a good win. PULEV? This guy was mediocre on his best day, had been KO'd in devastating fashion years ago, was 40, and showed nothing in the fight. Do you really thing Pulev is a better win than Wallin? Wallin > Pulev. AJ's resume is brand names with little substance. His best wins by far are the much worse version of Vlad and Parker.
Maybe, some people don't rate Wilder too highly and think that Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, and Ruiz is equal to or better than Wilder x3?
It's the same guy. We all knew Fury would destroy Wilder. Not that impressive. However Fury beats everyone in the division but Usyk
