Against The Grain - Your Score Cards

That's the majority view :huh

 

I had Sam Peter beating Toney 116-111 in the first fight. Scoring objectively and not paying attention to the commentators. I thought he landed the cleaner, more effective punches and won quite clearly. I like Toney, but that's how I scored it. Thats also how 2 of the 3 judges scored it but most fans think toney was robbed

 

jose armando santa cruz easily outpointing Casamoyer

 

That's pretty much my (hazy) memory of that fight.

 

i gave margarito the second round when he fought Cotto

also i had Margarito winning against Williams by one point but that was blatant favouritism on my behalf

i had chris john widely beating juarez

 

Yep... Im a big Chavez fan (huge Whitaker fan too actually) but I gave Whitaker 8 or 9 rds.

 

1 fight that most thought was the correct decision & that I firmly believe 1 judge got correct was Morales-Barrera III.... I thought it was the easiest of the 3 fights to score & I had it 6-6 (114-114)

I cant understand how anyone can say this was a `clear` Barrera win, it baffles me.

 

I gave Jimmy Young the first three rounds, and round 14 against Ali. Only round 15 was even in my view. I had Muhammad sweeping all the rounds from four to 13 on initiative and aggression, with round 12 being a two point round by virtue of the referee ruled knockdown. Hence, my final score of 146-139 Ali.

My scorecard for Ali-Berbick was 97-93 for Ali. I felt he controlled the movement in the ring (generalship), effectively smothered Berbick's flailing to his body on the inside with his arms, and landed more of the cleaner, straighter punches. From long range, he scored well with some hard head shots and jabs, while very rarely getting hit in the head himself, displaying some good remaining skill, and making efficient use of his reach.

Berbick was more aggressive, but I didn't think it was effective aggression. The three rounds I had him winning were rounds Muhammad clearly took off. Ali was much better against Trevor than he was against Holmes. Although clearly misfiring (as he was in the Spinks rematch), it was obvious why Berbick told him afterwards, "My head and neck are sore. It wasn't like that with Holmes." I think Muhammad's swan song was a better showing than Frazier's draw with Cummings. If they'd been boxing with masks on, so it couldn't be told who they were, I think the judges may well have scored it for Ali.

 

Thanks for your response. I remember that Hearns swept the first five rounds. Hearns won the first two minutes of the 6th and held his own until the end of the round. Leonard surprised him with the hook later in the round, and Hearns was off balance, but he was giving as good as he was taking. Maybe you can give Leonard the round, but without a real dominant performance, I think it is proper to give the round to the fight who won most of the round. The 7th round was clearly Leonard's round, but it was definitely not a 10-8 round. I remember the 8th being pretty much even and Hearns reassuming control after that. It still seems difficult to have the fight close going into the 14th. If we give Leonard 4 rounds, that still leaves Hearns with a 5-point or 4-point lead.

I should say up front that I disagree with the "if you have points use them" argument. This would allow a boxer who loses most rounds to win a bout because judges were too generous in points awarded. The potential for abuse is too great. Judges need to be stingy with points. Even in the case of a knockdown, if the boxer knocked down wins most of the round in convincing fashion, it probably shouldn't be a 10-8 round, especially in the case of a flash knockdown.

 

I can understand giving Barrera the 1st & 3rd fights, super close fights & in the case of fight 1, very hard to score.... BUT....

How anyone cannot see a clear Morales victory in fight 2 is beyond belief, Erik has a strong case to have won every rd except 9 & 12.

Ring generalship, clean punching, effective aggression & even defence in most rds all went Morales way in that fight.

Watch without sound.

 

Good man.

1. That was not a KD in rd 12 of their 1st fight.
2. Morales was denied a legit KD in rd 7 of their 2nd fight.

I scored the 1st fight narrowly to Morales, the 2nd fight clearly to Morales & the 3rd fight dead even.

I have no probs with anyone giving MAB fights 1 & 3 but to give him fight 2 or say he won all 3 is plain delusional bull****, nothing more IMHO.


Angola :fire

 

I am a big Ali fan so possibly a bit biased but I agree about the Young fight. Also had him comfortably over Doug Jones. Beating Shavers, and very close fight either way against Norton 3

 

Most people had that view, save for the judges.

 

No.