Against which of these HWs would Willard make it into R2 after 47 unhindered punches?

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  1. 70sFan865

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    He got tagged by two uppercuts before that one, along with about 7 other punches.

    After the first knockdown Willard had enough time to prepare.
    He got tagged with plenty of punches between first and second KD. Have you watched the same fight?
     
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  2. 70sFan865

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    Foreman landed far more shots than you said, I literally rewatched this fight now to say what actually happened. Tons of hard shots, yet Frazier got up every time. Even when the fight was stopped.

    Counts weren't that long because Frazier didn't give himself any time to prepare, he want straight at Foreman after KDs.
     
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  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Major single blows put him down!
    Did he fight back for a minute bewteen knockdown 1 and 2 yes or no?? Did GF have the chance to get arm weary thwowing and throwing and throwing?
     
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  4. 70sFan865

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    No, he got staggered many times before first KD. Dempsey floored Willard with a single combination too.

    He tried to fight back but he couldn't and he ate a lot of punches. Willard still tried to fight after first KD, Dempsey did what you described later in the round, not at the beginning or after the first KD.

    Foreman after the second KD basically finished Frazier and he could throw as much as he wanted. Frazier always got up,.

    I'm sure you'd do the same with Dempsey-Willard fight had they fought 50 years later.
     
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  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Like Frazier did actually landing punches back! There are also jabs thrown by GF after Frazier got down. Is Frazier still bobbing and punching YES OR NO?

    Are you srsly telling me thats what Dempsey onslaught on Willard looked like !??
     
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  6. 70sFan865

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    Yes, after the first KD Frazier still bobbed and punched back. It didn't matter because he didn't land anything and Foreman landed tons of shots.

    Willard also threw back and he actually landed a few shots before the first KD. Then he tried to cover himself up but Dempsey attacked the body and was just too quick for him. You act like the whole round looked like the last 30 seconds.
     
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  7. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    He did fight back for a minute including the count and of course it DID matter until Foreman, along going back throwing jabs, cought him with somethig else big. Willard got down seconds after the first "count"!



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    He did not fight back, getting tagged immediately again. Its on tape. So stop bending your silly comp.

    "First thing you notice here is Willard is barely up when Dempsey is attacking." Its also there audible. Willard getting down exactly 5 seconds after he got up.

    Frazier stayed in the fight, a round between, not getting punched defensiveless. Major shots put him down and he got ALOT more time than Willard had! Stop bending your. comp!
     
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  8. 70sFan865

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    He tried, but got tagged immediatly. It says more about Dempsey if anything.

    If Dempsey's power is overrated, then why Foreman's isn't? Foreman couldn't stop Frazier even though he scored tons of KD in both his fights. Can you imagine modern big guys loading punches on visibly hurt Frazier for as long?
     
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  9. 70sFan865

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    Dropping huge durable guy with a single combination and not letting him to fight back is now the evidence of overrated punching power! This thread is almost as bad as calling Willie Driver better than Sam Langford.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    He'd probably get a up a few times but if he's landing 47 of them dynamite right hands he landed on Lewis he ain't making R2.
    Lewis lands right hand after right hand and makes everyone feel sorry for Willard. He ain't making R2
    Can't see any of these guys stopping him in 1.
    Both would probably get the stoppage but I can see Willard making R2 against both. Can see merits to both sides of the argument
    Why is Briggs getting a second chance? Lol. Anyway Bruno landing 47 unanswered power punches has Willard on the floor drooling
    Can't see any of these getting the stoppage
    Both of these would badly harm Willard. Cooney would land left hook after left hook and 47 of them would destroy Willard. And imagine a Morrison type KO but uninterrupted by a ref for 47 punches.

    He probably dies. Multiple times.
     
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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    What the **** is Willard trying on tape in a couple of seconds ?? Its on tape!
    Because Foreman DID NOT GET 50 free shots in a single round on a guy behaving like roadkill! Are you telling me your that dumb ?

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    Youre playing that dump I see!
     
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  12. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Oh lord we´ve a winner using his common sense here!!

    47 free shots from full grown HWs on a guy that hurt is pure insanity.
     
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  13. 70sFan865

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    I'm not interestend in that discussion anymore. If you think that Dempsey's fight with Willard is the proof of his lack of power, feel free to do so. I doubt you'll find many supporters. At least not many reasonable ones.
     
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  14. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Absoluty correct, and everyone should. Big heart and effort for sure.

    But that happened on the verge of not getting unconscious, talking about the problem of defining power

    What I really want on BF24 is users trying to use their rational common sense of what they impartially see, instead of worshiping fighters like gladiators in the Colosseum of Rome.

    Because thats what happens here alot. Like ATG were million times superior to the so called bums, in fact extremely successful professional athletes! Its the colored glasses all over leading to this.
     
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  15. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Thats exactly the differentiation requested. The difference bewteen a good sharp puncher, but obviously lacking power for something unexpected to happen.
    He certainly hit hard enough to win without getting punched himself.
    The problem is mixing up alltogether by simply worshipping. There is a difference between raw James Smith power, and beeing a sharp puncher on the verge ot not getting the KO.

    I´ve seen user here putting Dempsey in the boat with Lewis and Klitschko tons of times ragarding power. Thats the problem. A Klitschko or Lewis would actually kill Willard if a third person put him up for 47 shots.
     
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