Aidos Yerbossynuly in a coma after last nights loss to Morrell

I hope he wakes up from his coma and has a good recovery. I was in a coma and ICU for two weeks and in a rehabilitation hospital for months afterwards.

 

Tony Weeks should call it a career. He was always horrible in my eyes, but from now on I see his guilty a$$ stopping fights prematurely on top of being blind or unaware of the rules.
Hope this guy makes a full recovery.

 

He's had brain surgery to stop a brain hemorrhage. He's in critical condition and remains in a medically-induced coma.

 

I appreciate the thought you put into this post - but I have to disagree.

His trainer should have stopped the fight. Failing that, the ref should have stopped the fight. Failing that, the doc should have stopped the fight between rounds or signaled to the ref during the action that the fight should be stopped.

Aidos Yerbossynuly was undefeated heaing into this fight. It's not realistic to expect him to quit. Dreams do not die easily in boxing and under the most tragic of circumstances those dreams do not predecease the fighter, himself.

 

As i have said previously the ref and corner should have stopped the bout.
However if Aidos was experiencing issues then yes he should have told his team, the key word is team, he is part of that team, i did not say he himself should publicly quit, that was why i suggested that perhaps cameras trained on the corners between rounds perhaps ought to be banned, so that what is said in the corner is between the team only, this would give a fighter opportunity to be truthful about their state of health, be that just something you don't want opponent to know about, through to serious symptoms when the corner can throw in the towel themselves.

I have seen boxers presenting in a lot worse state of health during bouts than Aidos did before he collapsed, and these fighters have continued, so he was not a extreme case, it however is a sad one.

There are plenty on this forum who say a boxer just quit, the ref stopped fight too early etc, i guess where is the definitive line of when to quit/stop a fight, i have no issue with a boxer saying "No Mas" they are the only ones who know what effect the blows are doing to them, and likewise the only person other than the boxers opponent who can see into a boxers eyes etc close up mid fight is the ref, so the armchair critics suggesting a bout was stopped too early are not necessarily basing view with full account of boxers presentation.

Boxing is a hurt sport, gloved fists of very fit, strong, trained martial artists hitting each other primarily in the head, for upwards of 36 minutes, any of us who have boxed loved it, thrived on it despite getting hurt and would do it all again.
But sadly acute incidents happen such as that which befell Aidos or worse in some cases, and after career some suffer chronic debilitating effects.

Your point regarding the doctors is a reasonable one, however if we put a increased onus on the medics, then we the viewers of bouts must expect the ringside doctor to intervene a lot more, to be given time to assess a fighter, a neuro assessment is not a 10 second quick look at a fighter, the corners then must accept a doctor being in front of fighter between rounds etc, as brain bleeds or such other than if head bounces off the canvas, are caused generally by cumulative punches rather by just one blow, so bouts would be stopped by the doctor way before the viewers were aware of issue, as such assessment utilises amongst others a boxers speech, eye reactions, ability to obey commands, none of which we viewers would be aware of.

By the time a boxer is showing external signs of distress the damage has been done, sad but true, getting hit in the head is not healthy we just have to look at minimising the risk, and yes boxers need to make a informed choice too.

A fighter cannot offload all responsibility for their health on team or officials, they should be fighting knowing of the risks, it is the boxers health, it is boxer themselves who suffer negative consequences, so they have to play their part.

If i go to my doctor as feeling unwell, i expect to tell them my symptoms, answer their questions not just sit not communicating, while thinking they are the experts and are responsible for my health, and then expect a positive outcome.

Not easy to switch the warrior mode off and admit issues mid fight, but our sport is littered with those who suffered as a result of that refusal/inability.

 

There was an update on it today. It was induce coma cause there was bleeding in brain. He is in critical but stable condition and dr said they expect full recovery.

*Wanted to add his head trainer failed him big time. The assistance wanted to throw in towel but head trainer said no.

Yerbossynuly’s assistant trainer, Emanuel Savoy, has told ESPN that he wanted to stop the fight rounds before this all unfolded.

“I actually had the towel in my hand. Aidos wanted to continue. His head coach [Kanat Orakbaev] wanted him to continue. He evaluated Aidos and said nothing was wrong with him.”

 

Horrible ******* that head trainer.

 

Again, this is an excellent stuff you've posted.

But even so, it's an awful lot to expect from a young man who is still a climber in the sport under the inflence of adrenaline.

Once in a great while we see a young man (e.g. Daniel DuBois) with the wisdom to decide that discretion is the better part of valor. His reward is usually condemnation from sports fans for his lack of heart. That's a powerful disincentive to exercise good judgement and I think that that is why it ultimately falls to the safety net of Trainer/Referee/Fight Doctor to step in at the appropriate time.

 

Indeed so, but reiterate the boxer has to communicate issues, yes emotion and adrenaline are pumping, but the brain if damaged overrides any adrenaline, it messes up speech and thought often before movement, 2 way dialogue between trainer and boxer between rounds would show this.
The fact of matter is it is the boxer themselves, their family and loved ones who suffer if brain damage occurs not the ref, trainer or doctor, the ref tells boxers to protect self at all times, this might be another time for fighter to do so.
Regretfully early warning signs such as speech/thought issues are overlooked, that is time to stop the fight, not just once boxer looks like Bambi on ice.

 

But watch the fight again Aidos face was battered bad he was stumbling around the ring trying to grab hols of his opponent to stay upright Notice how he kept blinking his eyes? Reminiscent of the Benn fight where his opponent did the same One of the commentators called him a coward when he finally took a knee Look how he ended up another real tragedy.
What did Weekes do with Aidos ? Stepped In & took a point from Aidos that shows he wasn't concerned for him. He needs to lose his referees license hes not safe. So does Aidos corner especially the head trainer
I hope & pray Aidos makes a complete recovery But hope he never fights again

 

… this is one of the best posts Iv read in over 15 years of reading boxing forums . Great points Sir . Very well made . Great point about hearing coaches between rounds .

 

Weeks? You blaming Weeks? What about his corner or the doctor? His corner knows him better than anyone. They knew he was getting his ass beat and had nearly zero chance of winning. Besides, it's difficult to stop a fight when a guy is still punching back.

 

Any updates?

 

Great post, although I would add that, IMO the corner, ref & doctors have a 'duty of care' to protect fighters from their own bravery. There are some fighters would would literally rather die in the ring that be labelled a quitter, even if they don't really understand the implications of that kind of decision. Each case is different, but Aidos was taking a sustained beating in the last 3 rounds, and - at least IMO - had no recourse to a victory; he was just getting more damanged, especially in round 12.

 

Not exactly. Weeks is a veteran, but still he doesn't have MRI eyes and like you said the guy was throwing. His corner should have done more to asses his state.
My point was that on top of being a bad reff, he might feel pressured to stop fights prematurely moving forward because of this accident.
What was said about cameras and mics being banned in the corners is brilliant and will go a long way in preventing stuff like this. It's better to retreat and live to fight another day.
There is no shame in quitting and when fans criticize young boxers like Dubois whose future is ahead of them it's irrelevant for me, because they're for the most part armchair warriors excused from gym class. It's when other boxers do it like BJS that it's absolutely embarrassing.