AJ’s résumé has aged like an egg sandwich

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  1. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The mental gymnastics and lack of consistency is something to behold.
    Wilder is very poor with the weakest resume considering the length of time as a belt holder.. Fury is actually pretty good but doesn't have the quality wins to show it. AJ clearly has the best resume consistently fighting top people in the division despite having far fewer fights than the other two. It might end up being that Usyk ends up being the standout as like Joshua has quality resume in so few fights and is yet to lose. At the moment until someone get's undisputed then it's up in the air.
    The Op is a complete bellend who is clearly mentaly ill.
     
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  2. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

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    The division is so poor anyone’s resume will age bad.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The only guy who’s desperate here, is you.

    Your posts are laughable.


    AJ-Ruiz isn’t the most humiliating defeat in history.

    Have a word with yourself.

    This is just your little fantasy.


    Usyk would make Wilder look hopeless.

    Wilder has been outboxed by B and C level guys.

    Take his power away and he’s extremely vulnerable.

    Wilder would never be able to time Usyk and land a knockout shot.

    Usyk wouldn’t be there. He’d be far too elusive.

    You’re deluded.

    It would be a horrible stylistic match up for Wilder.

    Wilder is a huge puncher with poor overall technical skills. He’s improved over the last few years but is still levels below Usyk.


    Regarding Tyson, Lennox and Vitali, yes, they came unstuck in some shocks. But Vitali was injured and had shoulder surgery 5 days after he’d fought Byrd, where he’d been way, way ahead.

    Tyson went to Tokyo with zero motivation where he didn’t train. He had zero stamina and was gassed at the mid way point. Douglas was also a very good fighter, who underachieved due to a lack of desire and professionalism.

    Lennox was dropped by Rahman and McCall. But it’s HW boxing. It happens.

    However, Byrd, Douglas and McCall were a level above most of Wilder’s title opposition, and he was only fighting 2 of them per year.

    Only Fury and Ortiz were on their level.

    Even an unmotivated Tyson would have blasted his way through Wilder’s opposition, following the same time line.

    All of those 3 fighters would have cruised through Wilder’s defences, following the same time line.

    A number of other HW’s would have too.

    The reason why other HW’s couldn’t replicate what Wilder did, was obviously because they fought better fighters.

    AJ could probably have replicated Wilder’s title reign.
     
  4. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just as a wild card how you rate Corrie Sanders ... seems Neet was basing thelevel of humiliation on Ruiz shape so Sanders was not a adonis but he could box ...
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sanders could have been a very good HW, but he was terribly inconsistent. Very much like James Douglas.

    He could be a real threat to anybody on a given night though, with his power, hand speed and his confidence and aggression. He was obviously also a southpaw too.

    The man went toe to toe with a version of Vitali who was looking to avenge the defeat of his younger brother.

    Anybody who was willing go to war with Vitali was a huge threat.

    I’d have loved to have seen Sanders fight Lennox Lewis.

    Lewis would had to have gotten him out of there.
     
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  6. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "AJ-Ruiz isn’t the most humiliating defeat in history"

    It obviously is. If you actually disagree substantively, what would you say are its rivals? I can't think of an argument for anything in the last 80+ years.

    "Usyk wouldn’t be there. He’d be far too elusive."

    The less rangy, slower and southpaw experienced bodybuilder landed 123 punches on Usyk over 12 rounds according to Compubox, including some flush right hands and he was trying to pointfight, not go for a KO. If Usyk-Wilder was made next Wilder would be a live underdog and prime Wilder even liver, this idea that Wilder would "never" land a KO bomb on Usyk over the course of 36 minutes is a fantasy.

    "AJ could probably have replicated Wilder’s title reign."

    Your view is that McCall, Puritty, Brewster, Ruiz et al were "world class heavyweights" because they had a great night, my view is that they were high level journeymen/fringe contenders (which was everyone's view before the fights) who had a great night and never repeated it.

    Lewis gets starched by two of these guys and your excuse is "it happens". Imagine for a second if Wilder had been one-punch KO'd early by Stiverne or Ortiz: would it still be "it happens" or would it be "Wilder is a glass-jawed hypejob"? Imagine if Duhaupas had taken Wilder's best and ground him down as Puritty and Brewster did to Wlad, would it still be "it happens" or would it be "Wilder is a mentally fragile fraud with no engine or heart"? Imagine if Wilder had turned up lethargic and got beaten to a pulp by a 42-1 underdog: would it be "the underdog was actually really good but underachieved his whole career" or would it be "Wilder is a poor professional with little motivation, focus or discipline"?
     
  7. Loudon

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    Nobody but you would believe that Ruiz stopping AJ was more humiliating than Douglas stopping Mike in Tokyo. Mike was seen as being unbeatable at that stage, whereas AJ had many flaws and almost lost to Wlad.


    Usyk would embarrass Deontay.

    I’d love to see it.


    You’re so defensive on Wilder.

    You’re making a mistake in comparing me to guys who’d label Wilder as those things in your examples.


    Of course, one punch can change a fight. Any fight. But even though Lewis got caught, it only happened twice in his career, and against world class HW’s. It didn’t happen against the calibre of guys who made up the majority of Wilder’s title reign.

    Who out of Wilder’s title reign would you seriously think would have beaten Mike, Vitali and Lewis?

    Also, Wilder was said to be in his prime.

    He faded or injured etc.

    So which one of Wilder’s title reign opponents have beaten prime versions of those 3 guys?

    Wilder fought low level guys, and mostly just 2 fights per year.

    You can say that Wlad, Tyson and Lennox didn’t match Wilder’s 10 title reign. And you’d be right. But when you look at the circumstances and apply the relevant context, it means nothing.

    Those guys fought better guys in a stronger era, under different circumstances.

    Prime versions of those guys fighting twice per year against Duhaupas, Stiverne and Molina etc, would have been a cakewalk for them.