AJ Announcement

Spin it however you want I don’t care about the amateur records of fighters or when they turned pro. The fact is over 3/4 of wilders opponents were pub level fighters, I would fancy many other heavyweights to have a similar record of KO when they spend most of their time facing that level of opponent.

I also find it interesting that you are happy to claim my post had no context, yet you’re happy to proclaim wilder the hardest puncher of all time based on his stats.

 

Blokes clueless.

 

Bill Shakesphere himself could not have done better.

 

Safin banned again FFS

 

It's absurd

 

"I don’t care about the amateur records of fighters or when they turned pro"

Lomachenko fought for a world title in his second pro fight but he was 26 years old, had been boxing since he was 4 years old and had 397 amateur bouts, with 2 Olympic gold medals. If you don't think that factors like age and boxing experience are important in determining how quickly a fighter should be moved in the pros then you are disconnected from reality.

"The fact is over 3/4 of wilders opponents were pub level fighters"

If you you're a former world champion who can go 10 rounds with Ruiz and 6 rounds with Joyce, you're not "pub level", even if Wilder smokes you in 1. A big guy from the pub wouldn't last a round with Joyce or Ruiz, probably not more than a minute.

"I would fancy many other heavyweights to have a similar record of KO"

Reality again defies your expectations. Look at Andy Ruiz's 29 opponents pre-Parker: no better than Wilder's and several mutual opponents. Ruiz started boxing as a kid and had 100+ amateur bouts, yet his KO record is pathetic by comparison. And stylistically, Ruiz is more aggressive than Wilder, so it should be easier (other things being equal) for him to get KO's. If it were easy, you would see a lot more prospects with insane KO streaks and a ridiculous proportion of 1st round KO's against lower level opposition.

Manny Steward said that Wilder was the most talented prospect after Fury in June 2012, when he was still fighting club, regional and at best domestic level fighters. Steward had the advantage in seeing Wilder in training camps and sparring but he also saw in fights that when Wilder was hitting this level of opposition, he was having a very different effect than when other heavyweight prospects were hitting them.

 

for what?

 

Plenty of good amateur fighters have struggled in the pros, just as plenty of decent pros have turned late with little amateur experience. If you want to count amateur records towards a pro fighters record then be my guest.

Also which former champion has boxed 10 rounds with Ruiz and 6 with Joyce before losing to wilder in 1?

 

Stiverne? I don't recall him fighting Ruiz and just checked on Boxrec and don't see it, did he spar with Ruiz? Andy/John for 10 rounds?

 

No idea mate

 

How dare you make a resonable point about AJ !!

 

Jesus no defending anyone involved if thats true

 

"Plenty of good amateur fighters have struggled in the pros, just as plenty of decent pros have turned late with little amateur experience"

Lewis, Bowe and Holyfield were all Olympic medalists, with Tyson (who turned pro very early) the odd one out. Wlad and Povetkin were gold medalists, with star amateur Vitali losing his place to Wlad at the Olympics due to a drugs ban and Haye won a silver at the World Amateur Championships. Usyk and AJ are both gold medalists, Wilder won bronze and although Fury turned pro earlier, he won a bronze at the World Junior Championships.

While it's possible to be a top heavyweight without being a star amateur or having extensive pedigree, it's the exception not the rule. Taking up boxing late, having a limited amateur background and turning pro young likely mean you need more of a gradual rise and more lower level fights as a kind of extended amateur career.

"Also which former champion has boxed 10 rounds with Ruiz and 6 with Joyce before losing to wilder in 1?"

Liakhovich got brutally KO'd inside 2 minutes by Wilder, then 16 months later at 38.5 he fought Ruiz and went the 10 round distance, winning 4 rounds on one of the judges' scorecards in America. 5/6 of Liakhovich's prior defeats had come by KO, though aside from Wilder always in the later rounds. Liakhovich was briefly a world champion, defeating Wlad-conqueror and 3 defence world champ Brewster in a gruelling war that took something out of both men.

Stiverne got KO'd in the 1st round of the rematch, unable to land a single punch on Wilder. 16 months of inactivity later he fought Joe Joyce, at 40+ years old and 35+ lbs past his optimal fighting weight. He took Joyce to the 6th round.

 

What's the announcement?