AJ deserves Credit, not negativity.

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  1. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't get the hate towards a man who claims he isn't the best (yet), that he still has a lot to learn....but would be willing to back himself against anyone in the division.

    Constant whining about fights not being made over the years, and then you've got a guy in Joshua, who has had relatively little time in the sport (both amateur and pro), who going into a fight with an ATG (Who btw looked his best in years) had almost a third the amount of rounds of two other current belt holders (Wilder and Parker).

    Sure there were weaknesses, he's practically a novice....But he's a novice with a better resume than any other top 10 in the division, and a far far bigger draw than the rest put together.

    Joshua is currently doing what Wilder should have 12-18 months ago.....or even earlier in all honesty.

    Personally, i think it's largely jealousy that the biggest draw in World boxing doesn't reside in the US.
     
  2. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joshua's an enigma

    Beating Wlads a good win but Fury toyed with him.

    Did wlad look good because he was at his best or is joshua just not as good as fury.

    We'll just have to wait and see if he's the true heir to the heavyweight crown
     
  3. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess you could say Fury is an enigma as well. Joshuas fight against Wlad was far better than Tysons IMO. Tyson boxed brilliantly against Wlad but Joshua IMO fought a more determined fighter in Klitschko. We'll soon see who's the man when Tyson comes back.
     
  4. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only way to settle it is Joshua vs fury in the biggest PPV fight in U.K. History

    Free Fury
     
  5. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua can't win . If he ko Klitschko people woud have said he
    was washed up. But since Klitschko found the fountain of youth
    and fought a spirited fight Joshua is now vulnerable and told
    his future is questionable.
     
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  6. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    wlad didn't find a fountain of youth tbh he looked really rusty early on, and he's snap is gone and he looked slower

    he however was facing a more stationary target which allowed him to get he's shots off
     
  7. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Time will tell if or for how long Joshua can reign. Eventhough he only own a portion of the crown, atm he is the Man to beat.
    As for Fury, he beats himself before anybody does. If he can't regain his form, the last memory people have for him won't be how he dance around Wlad and beat him in an uneventful fight. But for the many twittering jabs he throws out.
     
  8. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another point i'd like to make which a lot seem to question.....

    1) Why didn't Joshua call out Wilder instead of Fury?

    Firstly, Fury and Joshua had a spat over twitter during fight week and Fury was consistently saying that Joshua was a hypejob and Wlad would embarrass him.

    The real answer is simple though it comes down to numbers. Over here, Wilder isn't a household name, in fact, he isn't really considered relevant. He's probably viewed by the public to be in the same category as Parker....with the only exception that Wilder has had more fights, albeit at a very similar level.

    Hell, even Joshua v Whyte 2 (Well, technically 3) would be bigger over here with the casuals (Where the money is at) than Joshua v Wilder. (Unless/until Wilder/Parker unify)

    To put it into perspective, when the build up to the Joshua v Wlad fight was occurring, Wlad was viewed as a name first and a champion/past champion later....Should Wilder come over, he will purely be seen as a belt holder rather than a name.
     
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  9. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I completely disagree.

    Just look at his footwork and his agility of his feet....where was that for the Fury fight?

    Wlad tried to do Joshua what Fury did to him. Whilst Wlad demonstrated more power than Fury did, his downfall was his inferior 'youthfulness'.

    That's why i'd favor Joshua against Fury. Fury can only beat Joshua through spoiling, like the Klitschko fight, difference is Joshua has better handspeed, combinations and shot selection. If Fury gets too close, i fancy him having to take one of those uppercuts.....and if he gets trapped in a corner, Joshua gets him out of there.
     
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  10. OpinionOfACasual

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    I feel as though points like this are still somewhat missing the 'real point'.

    Joshua shouldn't have to be the man this early in his pro career. The fact he's stepping up when Wilder, Parker and Fury (I don't class his 'self-destruction' as stepping up) all have more experience, should be met with appreciation from the guys on here who consider themselves 'non-casuals'.

    People have said that Wlad 'passed the torch' to Joshua. No, he didn't, Joshua took it from him, when Fury couldn't handle it and Wilder/Parker have been unwilling to take hold of it in the first place.

    In one night, Joshua made Wilder's and Parker's careers more relevant than they themselves have in 100+ rounds.
     
  11. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    And I don't want to seem a Wilder hater, but....

    Two brits had the guts to take a fight he should've taken way before they did.
     
  12. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think some of it was to do with Klitschko actually asking Joshua (not Parker, not Wilder) in the ring after one of AJs fights. They're all gutsy.
     
  13. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In some ways what Joshua's achieved is quite remarkable.
    Only 43 amateur fights and wins an Olympic Gold Medal. Some say he was gifted the decision in the final. Well either way this relative novice was going life and death with the reigning Olympic Heavyweight Champion in there.
    Beats a still live ATG in his 19th pro fight coming through adversity to do so, in terms of what he's achieved there shouldn't be any negativity at all.
    He's still developing,an improving fighter, like them all he has his strengths and he has his flaws.
    Most of the negativity mainly comes from some of the claims made by his numpty fanboys who already have him as the greatest heavyweight who ever lived and would beat them all.
    That's not Joshua's fault though.
     
  14. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    But why did he ask Joshua?

    Neither Wilder or Parker could generate anything close to 90,000.

    Did you see Parker's face after their fight? No-one can tell me that wasn't fear.

    His trainer was delighted though.....for a good payday.
     
  15. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    LOL you answer you're own questions.

    I was more on the lines of one having 'guts' as I clearly mentioned on my response post to yours. It wasn't a matter of guts as you now have mentioned, it was Wlad picking Joshua partially for the cash but I think Wlad truly believed he could beat AJ.