AJ Resume vs Ring Magazine top 10

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  1. Bondy365

    Bondy365 Member Full Member

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    2015 - Dillian Whyte
    Ring Mag 2016 #10
    Ring Mag 2017 #8
    Ring Mag 2018 #4
    Ring Mag 2019 #4
    Ring Mag 2020 #4

    2016 - Charles Martin

    2016 - Dominic Breazeale
    Ring Mag 2017 #9

    2016 - Eric Molina

    2017 - Klitschko
    Ring Mag 2005 #8
    Ring Mag 2006 #1
    Ring Mag 2007 #1
    Ring Mag 2008 #1
    Ring Mag 2009 Champion
    Ring Mag 2010 Champion
    Ring Mag 2011 Champion
    Ring Mag 2012 Champion
    Ring Mag 2013 Champion
    Ring Mag 2014 Champion
    Ring Mag 2015 #1
    Ring Mag 2016 #1

    2017 - Takam

    2018 - Parker
    Ring Mag 2016 #6
    Ring Mag 2017 #3
    Ring Mag 2018 #7
    Ring Mag 2019 #8
    Ring Mag 2020 #7

    2018 - Povetkin
    Ring Mag 2007 #10
    Ring Mag 2008 #4
    Ring Mag 2009 #2
    Ring Mag 2010 #3
    Ring Mag 2011 #2
    Ring Mag 2012 #2
    Ring Mag 2013 #2
    Ring Mag 2014 #1
    Ring Mag 2015 #2
    Ring Mag 2017 #4
    Ring Mag 2018 #6
    Ring Mag 2019 #7
    Ring Mag 2020 #3

    2019 - Ruiz x2
    Ring Mag 2016 #9
    Ring Mag 2017 #7
    Ring Mag 2019 #6
    Ring Mag 2020 #6

    2020 - Pulev
    Ring Mag 2011 #10
    Ring Mag 2012 #4
    Ring Mag 2013 #1
    Ring Mag 2014 #4
    Ring Mag 2015 #4
    Ring Mag 2016 #3
    Ring Mag 2017 #6
    Ring Mag 2018 #10

    When people talk about AJs resume and constantly taking the toughest fights, this is not true.

    Whyte - Possible his best win to date, brutal KO of a genuine top 5 contender for last 5 years.

    Martin/Breazeale/Molina - bar one entry for Breazeale non of these are world class fighter's. Joshua won his title fairly early in his career, so maybe can be excused for easier learning fights. However, as a belt holder these are poor defences.

    Klitschko - An ATG, dominated from mid naughties to 2014. While he turned up in good shape for the fight, no man in their prime in late noughties can reverse the effects of time and fight a career best performance almost 10 years later. However, with Fury out of action, Klitschko was the no 1 ranked fighter by ring magazine at the time so a KO win is a solid performance.

    Takam - A fight a belt holder should receive little credit for. A tough and durable but limited fighter with no noteworthy wins.

    Parker - A solid win although in truth a boring fight, not helped by the referee. A solid top 10 opponent in his prime, whether you like his style or not.

    Povetkin - Similar to Wlad. You cannot argue the man's not a classy fighter and while he went on to get notable wins after the loss to AJ, not in his prime. Still a solid top 10 guy at the time and AJ finished him in style with a decent stoppage.

    Ruiz - A lower top 10 fighter. Not a massive shock on paper a top 10 fighter beating AJ. AJ then rematched a shadow of the Ruiz that stopped him earlier that year. Little credit for the rematch win due to Ruizs horrible conditioning for the fight.

    Pulev - similar story to Wlad and Povetkin but to a greater degree. A former top 10 guy dropping out 2 years before their fight. 6 or 7 years past his prime by the time of the fight. Had this victory come 4 years earlier it would have been much greater.

    Notable top 10 fighters missing:
    Luis Ortiz
    Ring Mag 2015 #5
    Ring Mag 2016 #4
    Ring Mag 2017 #5
    Ring Mag 2018 #5
    Ring Mag 2019 #5
    Ring Mag 2020 #5

    Age has started to show its effects of Ortiz. I imagine this is the kind of guy AJ would fight in 2023, and should have fought instead of the dead wood in 2016.

    Then the obvious Usyk, Wilder and Fury. For AJ to be considered a great, the above 3 fights have to happen in the next 12 - 18 months. These fighter's will start to show significant signs of deterioration over the next few years and so far most of AJs wins over stars have come well beyond their primes.

    Beat the above and he will have cleared out all the best names of his era. Not fight a prime Fury or Wilder and he will go down as someone who avoided the best and fought names after their primes.

    Fury on the other hand has so few top 10 names on his resume, but has wins over a dominant Klitschko the best fighter in the division at the time. He also has a draw and win over Wilder a top 3 hw in his prime.
     
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  2. BirdieNumNum

    BirdieNumNum New Member banned Full Member

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    Povetkin had a fine career. Rated mostly in the top 4 for 13 years. Must be the best ever heavyweight that didn't win a proper world title.
    Only the greatness of the Klitschkos and the WBCs corruption stopped him.
     
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  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So AJ fought according to Ring Magazine (which there is plenty to dispute about their ranking system) at the time:

    Wlad - Rank 1
    Parker - Rank 3
    Povetkin - Rank 3
    Ruiz - Rank 3
    Pulev - Rank 10
    Breazelae - Rank 10

    Whilst Whyte has gone on since their fight to be Rank 3.

    So AJ has beaten 6 top 10 ring magazine rank opponents to Fury's 2. Yet AJ is still getting criticism?

    Whilst AJ promotion has attempted to make fights against Wilder (very overrated padded record) and Fury numerous of times only for them to turn it down. AJ can't force them to fight him.
     
  4. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's an enormous difference between competing against the best, and then the rest. You also have to weigh in his embarrassing lost to Rice Pudding Ruiz Jr. He has been in one fifty-fitfty his entire career. You must know that, but I admire your unconditional love for Joshua. You're a good bloke.
     
  5. BirdieNumNum

    BirdieNumNum New Member banned Full Member

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    You're just a pathetic troll if you seriously are saying Joshuas resume is rubbish and Ruiz Jr is nothing.
     
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  6. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So competing 1 top HW in wlad which both fought. Then AJ has fought 5 guys with better resumes than Wilder.
     
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  7. bladesman

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    Agree
     
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  9. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Lol some people are either genuinely clueless or obsessed with making a square peg fit there round agenda.

    AJ has the deepest and best resume of any active heavyweight today.

    Oh.........and I'm a Fury fan who hope's knocks AJ out for the record.
     
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  10. unfriendlyorchid

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    I've seen this a fair bit across the board, but yours is the most recent, hence the quote.

    How many other fifty-fifty fights do you think Joshua should have had by now? Who should the opponents have been and when?

    Personally, I think the only ones missing are a 2017/8 Wilder, and Fury since the draw in LA - and arguably Ortiz in 2017/8, but not since.

    I'm not trying to argue that Joshua's record is amazing, just that perhaps the depth of the division has played as much a part in this as politics.
     
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  11. Jurgen

    Jurgen Pay Per Pudding Advisor banned Full Member

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    Pedvetkin deserved nothing more than a life ban from boxing
     
  12. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And Tyson doesn't? He's a failed cheat too.
     
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  13. Trafford

    Trafford Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Name one fighter or champion with better defenses in last 20 years.

    even wlad had plenty of tickovers. Not many fighters in the last 20-30 years have a similar resume.

    not saying he’s fought everyone or the best. But it compares well against most. Difficulty for AJ is he’s competing in the social media era when people are easily swayed
     
  14. Trafford

    Trafford Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This sums it up. It’s a social media age and everyone likes to have an opinion.

    if this was the 90s and AJ was fighting Bruno, Rahman and Holyfield he wouldn’t get nearly as much stick
     
  15. Inglis_1

    Inglis_1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes the resume discussion does get very tiresome, and its always on the same fighters too.

    Resume topics should be banned haha.