AJ says prime Mike Tyson beats a prime Ali

I'm not gonna lie, I do kinda see where the issues could come from for Ali. He really struggled with Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson was like a souped up Frazier.
My main contention is with the rabid Ali fanboy response though. Obviously in the responses you've got your typical Ali clergy preaching the brilliance and sheer flawlessness of Ali, who apparently battered Norton according to some who posted there (something I never saw happen in three fights, in fact quite the opposite). Did I forget to mention they say he never struggled with Frazier after the first fight? All plain sailing from there and Foreman didn't land a single clean blow on him apparently. I'm sorry Ali fans but if absolutely no one could have beaten him then why the hell does he have multiple controversial decisions and multiple losses? The man could be hit, hurt and outboxed too. He was far from flawless, hell he thought body shots were ineffective and essentially useless. He was also the size of a cruiserweight and wouldn't have the punch to keep some of the bigger heavies of today off him. Let's all learn that maybe prime Ali could be beaten because certain styles will always be the boon of certain fighters.
If no one can be compared to prime Ali then I'm not gonna be arsed ever considering bringing him in a conversation about boxing again as I'll just end up cringing at the over the top praise.

 

I'm aware that it wasn't prime Ali, my point was about how they twist the narrative to make him out to be unbeatable, incomparable among his peers. Something I think is total bull**** seeing as he was a cruiserweight fighting cruisers. Tyson was an actual heavyweight, lightning fast and fought like Frazier but more refined. He's a nightmare for Ali. Oh yeah the closest we've seen Ali and Frazier to their primes when they fought the first time is an indicator of how that style suited Ali regardless of age.

 

Exactly, he was a more refined, better fleshed out version of Frazier. I don't care which Ali it is, he's having major trouble with Mike.

 

Yeah but you see Mike Tyson was beating actual heavyweights, like men who are 220-230lbs regularly. Ali was a cruiser and he was fighting cruisers. The only difference? They didn't cut the weight to 200. Tyson was a small heavy but he was a souped up Frazier who well could have taken Ali out.

 

See that's the problem with you, you'll never go against prime Ali because you surrounded him in a bull**** mystique like he couldn't have ever been beaten if it weren't for him losing his prime. I think Mike Tyson shows that isn't the case. Some fighters just pull it out against them and I think Frazier would have beaten prime Ali as that was the closest to their primes that they fought each other and it was the most conclusive victory of their trilogy.

 

Lol what nonsense. The styles didn't match up well, that's what it really came down to. Plus Frazier wasn't the caliber of fighter prime Ali fought. Liston and Patterson weren't as good as prime Frazier when Ali beat them. Needless to say neither were Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell, Henry Cooped, Zora Folley or George Chuvalo.