AJ showed signs of age-related decline

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  1. The Long Count

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    I’m not so sure about that. All fighters age differently and Joshua is less than a month away from being 35. He looked like he regressed to me.
     
  2. Dubblechin

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    Joshua was even the bigger, heavier man Saturday.

    Can you imagine if Dubois outweighed Joshua by nearly 80 pounds and was hitting him like that? (Like Zhang-Wilder).

    Excellent win by Dubois. He's a breath of fresh air in the division.

    He's totally turned it around.
     
  3. DoctorJones

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    Yeah
    But a few months ago he looked incredibly sharp against Wallin and Ngannou when he could impose his rythm. Dubois battered him early and stunned him then he was caught with an huge overhand. This is not about age decline but rather that he cannot fight under big pressure, which we already saw in the Ruiz fight
     
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  4. Dubblechin

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    An effective jab can throw off the timing of guys who depend on the jab to set everything up.

    And the jab from Dubois was a power shot that snapped Anthony's head back repeatedly.

    You can't work off your own jab when you're looking up at the lights every time your opponent throws his. ;)
     
  5. Cleaver

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    Dubois is just a better fighter than AJ, and not 39 years old.
    It's not rocket science.
    AJ has always been robotic and prone to malfunction. If the opponent is younger than 39 and punches harder than Wallin, less than 20 pounds overweight, and is not from MMA, it is likely he'll make AJ look ordinary, or worse. If he's stronger than AJ too, it'll be the massacre we saw the other night.
     
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  6. The Long Count

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    Well in previous posts I did say Dubois deserves most of the credit, but that aside 35 isn’t young. Not for boxing. Some guys age better than others. Fighting Ngannou a novice in the sport was made to order for Joshua and Wallin was a career sparring partner of Aj’s that possessed below average power.
    So while I would say Dubois deserves majority of credit for what happened to AJ I don’t think I could quite say AJ is still prime either.
     
  7. Serge

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    Don't think it was age related but he clearly looked terrible and from a technical viewpoint much worse. I think the losses to Usyk destroyed his confidence. We could see how profoundly they affected him after the rematch because he had a nervous breakdown in the ring, hurling Usyk's belts out of the ring, trying to instigate a fight with Usyk's trainer who was half his size and twice his age, and then he started bawling his eyes out at the post-fight presser. I mean that's about as bad as it gets for goodness sake.

    Let's not forget he fought terrified against the light hitting Franklin in his next fight after that.

    He didn't exactly have it all his own way against the washed glass jaw Helenius prior to the finish

    He'd sparred like a 150 rounds with Wallin and had beaten him twice in the amateurs so he knew he had the beating of him and had little to fear

    Ngannou could punch but he was a crude as hell one fight novice whose technical and defensive flaws were glaring and easy to expose for any of the power punching top HWs. The Belly fight was an anomaly. Belly was terrible in that fight and even that version of him would've sparked Ngannou out cold in a couple of rounds if he could punch like AJ.

    Dubois was a legit top 10 HW and a murderous puncher with good speed, skills, and very good fundamentals and AJ was the one making a big step up in class not Dubois. All the ghosts returned to haunt AJ after that first KD and he collapsed under the weight of the mental pressure which was exacerbated by it being on a stage of that magnitude in front of a record breaking crowd the vast vast majority of whom were his own fans and his skills and technique subsequently went out of the window. Hence why he looked so bad.

    Too many DKSAB sheep fell for this is the ''new AJ'' rebranding but none of those guys he beat were top 10 sans #10 Wallin who earned that spot beating a injury-ravaged inactive shell of Gassiev who hadn't fought anyone with a pulse in 5 years.
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

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    He fought scared after Ruiz, Wallin was a fringe contender and aj still relied on counters. He looked terrified against Pulev and that was some years back
     
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  9. naranja

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    So true. Check out 90% of YouTube comments slagging Wilder off.

    They talk like he's not allowed to be past his prime because he was apparently always terrible. So the corpse that showed up to the Zhang fight is supposed to be the exact same guy that knocked out Ortiz and gave Fury hell.
     
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  10. TipNom

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    While im not convinced that Joshua's loss was down to age myself, the difference between him and Wilder is that he'd proven himself mostly consistently against higher level opposition. Easier to compare attributes from now to then when he's been facing a good level of competition for awhile. Wilder fought so few top guys that the level of his ability, for me atleast, was always kind of in question. He had like 2 wins over top 10 guys, with one being Stiverne and the other being Ortiz who was pretty largely unproven himself. Easy to look like an incredible fighter against worse opposition (see the Difference between AJs Ngannou and Dubois performances). Did Wilder struggle to land on parker because he's old or because he just never had the ability to land on guys like that, Has he lost his fire and power or was he just fighting weaker chinned guys that were more defensively open etc.

    With Joshua we have a better frame of reference to judge if he's declined or not and in which ways he has. He took the power of Klitschko and Whyte much better than he did Dubois' so maybe his chin has declined. He didn't get hit as much against the likes of Ruiz, Parker, Wlad and Povetkin so maybe his reflexes aren't what they once were. It doesn't offer a perfect comparison but it's better than what Wilder's resume allows.
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

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    Wilder took a worse beating from Fury than aj ever has clearly that must have done something
     
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  12. Serge

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    There were psychological scars after the Fat Andy loss but he looked good against Pulev and is still to this day the only other fighter to stop the Bulgarian other than Wlad. He also looked good against Usyk, confident, purposeful and the best he's ever looked technically, and Usyk is the best fighter he ever fought amateur or pro.

    Sure he lost comprehensively twice but he looked terrible the next time he fought a top 10 ranked legit guy in Dubois. He looked like a rank novice in that one and I believe he fell to pieces mentally after the first KD, which FTR was a fight ender. The mental pressure he would've been feeling would've been immense and, as said, his skills and technique went out the window after that.

    We know he is much more skilled and technical than he showed against Dubois but he looked worse than the green amateur version of himself the other night.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    No he didn't. Look at the rbr they said he fought scared against Pulev and he did. He took more risks against Dubois and Helanius actually. He got 2 chances against Usyk only in the rematch was he agressive, he couldn't adjust the first fight because he has low iq.

    aj was always overrated. Dubois isn't going to go on to dominate the division after Usyk and Fury retire, there are much younger fighters and he will get washed soon
     
  14. hobby rider

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    Nothing to do with reflexes. More to do with complacency.
     
  15. Serge

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    I'm afraid I'm right again. He looked good against Pulev who was a very good fighter and a tricky customer with a great jab. The version of AJ we saw against Dubois looked, no exaggeration, worse from a technical standpoint than the greenest amateur version.

    People expect AJ and Dubois to fight like Chisora when they say be aggressive but they're completely different fighters t Chisora with different attributes and Usyk is too fast and difficult to pin down for them. Hence why they struggled to land on him with consistency. No other fighters in the division can fight like Chisora and the fact that Usyk fought him in a shoe box sized ring didn't help either.