AJ showed signs of age-related decline

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It looked more mental to me, throwing when he shouldn’t be throwing, being overly defensive when Dubois would attack, being overly reactive on the outside, but not reacting when given a split second (on the way out of exchanges etc) these are all signs of nerves getting to him.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What do aj and Lewiss career have in common outside of them having 2 losses ? Lewis beat everyone he faced and retired on top. There are a different class of fighter and their reign can't be compared realistically, it's quite ridiculous to be frank. We can compare resumes if you want joshuas record to be exposed
     
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  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis was past his prime and chose to retire. Why would anyone have a problem with him retiring? There is always someone else to fight that doesn't mean he has to fight on indefinitely. If he beats Vitali in a rematch is he then obligated to fight Sanders, Wlad, Brewster, etc?

    Usyk never rematched Breidis. Extremely close fight and many people would have wanted to see a rematch and Usyk wasn't past prime or close to retirement.
     
  4. Serge

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    I never said AJ was better than Lewis

    His career is still being written

    The problem is the rose-tinted boxing nostalgists wouldn't entertain the notion of Usyk beating Lewis and if Usyk loses his next fight weeks away from his 38th birthday they will cite it as irrefutable proof he was never that good or could've beaten any of the greats whilst conveniently ignoring his age and the fact he's clearly slowed down a lot. The fact he became undisputed at HW at 37 y/o is testament to his greatness. Trust me the prime much faster, sharper, more fluid mongoose reflexes and reaction times Usyk would've toyed with these behemoths

    :lol: OK, enjoy
     
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  5. AdamT

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    To be fair, Fury will get zero credit for beating usyk if he pulls it off

    Age will be an excuse for sure, but it is what it is. We may argue to death on this forum regarding the heavyweights and it is monotonous. However, boxing has had a real shot in the arm this past year

    One thing we all can agree in, it's close to the end of an era and some of these guys will be missed no matter how much or little we like them

    I would love Dubois to keep improving and carry the torch, but i can't see him being THE guy in the division
     
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  6. Serge

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    Lots

    Both British

    Both HWs

    Both SHW sized HWs

    Both huge punchers

    Both Olympic gold medalists

    Both world champions

    Both been stopped x 2

    AJ never had the luxury of having an ATG trainer like Manny Steward in his corner like Lewis did. Lewis without Manny is a binman :deal:

    And FTR, I'm manhandling all you boxing nostagists five at a time whilst being impaired by double cataracts which I have an appointment with the surgeon about tomorrow and I'm pretty sure I broke my wrist coming up for 2 weeks ago and I've been in agony or a lot of pain ever since and I haven't even been to the doctors about it, let alone the hospital that's how badass I am. It's painful for me to keep typing post after post so when I say let's leave it there it's not without good reason
     
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  7. Redbeard7

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    Joshua suffered a mental decline post-Wlad and a mental collapse post-Ruiz 1. The Joshua who fought Usyk in the rematch would have also got destroyed by Dubois in all probability. Dubois isn't nearly as good as Usyk but he has important attributes Usyk doesn't have: crushing power (also hurt Joshua badly in sparring as a teenager or just turned 20), an aggressive primary style, more height, much more weight and he's in his 20's.

    Joshua's defence against Dubois was crap because he was being pressured consistently by a big athletic puncher who matched him for physicality and exceeded him in determination, it was a position he'd never been in before. Dubois' combination of attributes inherently cause Joshua to struggle for composure and fall apart once he's hurt.
     
  8. cornwall22

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    DDD was just too hot too handle, that pressure and power gave AJ a bloody aneurysm
     
  9. Serge

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    Usyk didn't tuck tail and run from the sport away from Briedis like Lewis did with Vitali. Usyk beat Bredis in his backyard in the semi-final of a tournament and then he fought Gassiev in the final and Bellew before moving up to HW. Briedis could've moved up to HW if he wanted the rematch.

    Lewis was literally too petrified to ever step foot in a ring again out of fear Vitali might be standing in the opposite corner to him. He won't even contemplate doing an exhibition with Vitali.

    Beating someone on a cut who was whooping your ass on and then quitting your job for fear of running into them again is a female dog move and not comparable to Usyk not rematching Briedis. Usyk didn't run from the rematch or quit his job out of fear of it
     
  10. Serge

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    I'm not sure about that most of these clowns thinkn Usyk is still in his prime, speaking as a big fan of Usyk's since 2008 I know that is not the case at all and I'm been saying this for a very long time. He's still very formidable but the contrast is stark.

    Agree with everything else, though. It's been a really good year for HW fights
     
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

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    ajs gold medal is fake he should've lost to Savon and Cammarelle just like "lewis lost to mercer". aj also has 1/3 the amunt of notable wins. joshua has also never been undisputed. joshua also has 4 losses to 3 underdogs and he's not retiring anytime soon. joshua has been dropped 9 times in his entire career and it isnt even done yet. joshua had twice the title shots and still failed. joshua hasn't beaten all his opposition. Lewis has more in common stylistically with Fury than he does with aj

    It's a stupid comparison especially when Lewis isn't the topic. It's damage control because aj got smoked with EASE. No one punch knockout while he was up on the cards unlike Lewis's loss to Rahman which was AVENGED. He was dominated and his gameplan was thwarted by someone with far less ability. aj isnt rematching Dubois, Hearn confirmed this. It's over. He's done. Cooked. Lewis is a top 5 lock and saying aj is in anyway comparable is cope
     
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  12. Dubblechin

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    Usyk didn't stop Briedis in six rounds (like Lewis did to Vitali). Usyk barely edged him via majority decision.

    And Usyk never fought Briedis again.
    :hang
     
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  13. Finkel

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    Perhaps something is there in his level activity. I found myself grumbling that for one year Joshua was the most active he had been fighting four fights within the space of a year. That activity is exactly what he needed

    Then what does he do after the Ngannou fight? He goes right back to 6 months between fights, and looks flat.

    Idiocy
     
  14. Serge

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    Why are you nitty picking when they clearly have a lot in common? They also have zero personality and charisma. To be fair to AJ I don't recall him wearing shades in his in ring post-fight interview and mispronouncing deteriorating as ''teteriorating'' and Lewis might be the worst commentator of all time too

    Like I haven't previously mentioned dozens of times that AJ didn't deserve his gold medal

    He did deserve his silver medal in the World Amateur championships tough where he lot by a solitary point to Majidov in the later's backyard

    It's not a stupid comparison r damage control. I've already explained this numerous times now

    Yeah, just like Lewis got one punch ''smoked with ease'' by Dillian Whyte level opponents smack bang in the midst of his prime

    AJ can't avenge his lost to Dubois yet :facepalm:

    Now, for the second time please let's leave it there
     
  15. AdamT

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    I know he's not in his prime, but as someone who has followed the big fat, bald oaf since about 08, I can also say he is not what he was prior Getting busted with peds and going off the scale

    Anyway, I note your post above regarding your wrist pain and cataracts. It's only boxing and I sincerely wish you the best and all goes smoothly

    Get that wrist sorted!
     
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