AJ Stoppage, was it too soon?

Actions speak louder than words. So does inaction...

Anyway, **** it.... time to move on from Saturday. Let's hope they get the rematch sorted and then, one way or the other, this will be dealt with.

By the way: I was bang wrong to write off Whyte vs AJ. It's clearly a live fight, should it ever happen. If mental scars are Joshua's biggest issue going forward from the Ruiz fight, Dillian knows how to inflame them....

 

That was not a stoppage, it was a quittage

 

The bum quit.

 

It truly warms the heart to see such devotion that even had Joshua fell down to one knee and begged the ref to stop the fight, you would still manage to find a way to convince yourself that he wouldn't quit.

Such determined faith and belief gives me pause to consider whether I should proceed forward to dispel such an idealistic fairy tale which seems to have crystallized in your mind.

Of course we should pretend that it's an impossibility that a fighter could ever quit.

We all imagined Rigo retiring on his stool. When Kell Brook shielded his face and keeled down before Spence, we wrongly assumed that he wished for the punishment to end. Instead he was merely looking for a breather!

Of course Charles Martin was just hard done by when he waited for the ref to count to 9 before he stood up. Surely if we are to believe Joshua never gave up, we then believe the aforementioned names were lions willing to fight to end?

And when active and former professionals such as George Groves, Dave Allen, Teddy Atlas, Derek Chisora also believe that Joshua quit, of course it must mean that they all have an agenda

 

You wrote a small essay and didn't answer a single question asked of you, why? When you spend the day creating 3-4 different threads dedicated to spewing negativity about a particular fighter, logic states that you probably have an agenda, this has nothing to do with what other fighters or analysts have to say.

 

How could I spend the day creating different threads when I'm not even here?

What was your question? Why I created a topic on a message board? Really?

You want me to answer you, why I made a post about a boxer on a boxing forum?

And where did I imply or state that AJ made excuses? He doesn't need to, his soldiers are doing the work for him

 

Again

So he didnt quit initially(3rd round) because he thought he could come back and win(according to you), yet chose to stay in the ring and take a beating for an additional 4 rounds(3 more knock downs) in hopes that his opponent would fade(again, according to you). When has Ruiz had stamina issues that would make Joshua count on him fading?

You seem to know what Joshua was thinking and what his game plan was.

How do you respond to other peoples posts and not see questions directed to you?

 

No, he either didn't want to fight on, or (as I suspect) didn't know what was going on.

If it had been allowed to continue it would just get dropped again, and no modern ref would let him reach the end of the round.

 

Was it early? Yes, only because if it had been allowed to continue, Ruiz would have snagged a highlight reel KO and there would be zero debate about this. I think Ruiz will be far more prepared for Joshua's power next go around and will win in an easier fashion considering his style approach appears to be all wrong for Joshua - punching with him and using his speed/power/chin to level out all of Joshua's other advantages.

 

You fail to address any of my points in favor of ad hominem attacks and now you demand of me to answer your banel question!

I come to the conclusion that Joshua quit, not founded on assumption, but through observation.

It's clear to anyone with a keen eye, that Joshua was expecting to be able to ride through the 3rd round and Ruiz, to fade as Wlad and Povetkin had previously done not through stamina issues, but rather through eventually succumbing to his power.

You made the assumption, in presuming that I was alluding to stamina, such is your basic method of thinking.

 

Hell no. He clearly wanted out and was done.

 

For those who still insist Joshua was confused or wanted to continue because he said yes

Here is another clearer angle of Joshua giving up which should remove any illusion that he wished to continue to fight on.

Time stamped Last knock down when the ref gestures to move forward several times.

Mr Mike Griffin, you did a fine job. Very professional. Nothing deterred him from doing what he had to do.

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When I said I think he didn't know what was going on, I'm not critisising the ref, I'm saying I think Joshua was too concussed to know what to do, and it should've been stopped.

 

Stop with the "what Joshua was thinking" or what he was "expecting" nonsense. You have no idea what he was thinking or expecting and neither do I. He was most likely not thinking clearly about anything considering he got smacked behind the ear and was not the same fighter from the 3rd round on. Have you ever been in a sparring session, actual fight or even just messing around and got hit in that particular area?

 

Ruiz said he wanted it to continue so he could finish it spectacularly instead of quitting in the corner like that...