Aj v Fury

Pointless mentioning it, tbf.

 

Ok then

I don’t think we’re going to agree on this and appear to be arguing fundamentally different points - I have to get back to work anyway. Let’s just hope this fight gets made

 

Let's be honest, neither Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua have particularly strong resumes.

Three of AJ's 'marquee names' (Wladimir, Povetkin, Pulev) were 41, 39 and 39 years old.
Ruiz and Parker ? the jury is still out, they are possibly quite 'average' and AJ was battered by Ruiz once, and didn't manage to KO either of them.
Whyte is/was "British level", in 2015 especially.
Takam was no spring chicken and was sparked by Chisora his next fight, after extending Joshua to a "British stoppage".

Fury has a very good win over Wladimir but Wladimir was already 39 and looked off previously against Jennings.
Fury, I feel, did beat Wilder TWICE, but Wilder, although dangerous, was built up on KOing bums for the most part so doesn't really qualify as an excellent champion at all.
Chisora, Cunningham are not true world class heavyweight wins.
Wallin is probably better than many give him credit for but the jury is still out, of course.

 

Okay, I missed that !

 

AJ's is deeper, and Wlad came into that fight in the shape of his life and without the emotional baggage that he had against Tyson with his wife wife etc.

And it's not like Tyson put on a masterclass or destroyed Wlad. Worst HW fight in years.

 

Those are just excuses though.
Wladimir was 41 against AJ, yes, he was in shape, but he was always in great shape, including against Fury.
Fury simply outboxed him. It was dull, ugly and lacking in action but it was a clear boxing lesson nonetheless.

If Fury get beats by AJ and pulls out "personal issues" as his excuse, will you give them any credence ? No, of course you won't.
You're only taking such pathetic excuses from Wlad in an effort to make AJ's win seem better than Fury's.

Wladimir NEEDED excuses for his ego against Fury, because he could barely land a punch. And Fury showed him no respect in the build up.
Whereas against AJ, who respected him completely, he lost the fight but was made to feel like a hero warrior again, his ego was largely restored.

Any loser can have an excuse.
Wladimir's only VALID excuse was his age, he just was too old.

 

Yeah, but the relevant point is that he beat Klitschko, who had reigned for about a decade.
Winning on points against Klitschko in Germany takes some doing.
But yeah, like I said, a dull, ugly fight lacking in action.

 

Do you even know what Wlad was going through? Terrible situation to be in before a title defence.

 

Youre a good poster, but Fury can do no wrong in your eyes.

 

aren’t you describing most top fighters? Most are carefully managed and placed against good opponents who they are still likely to beat because they are better than 99% of their division.

The only way a fighter is constantly in 50/50 fights and ones they’re expected to lose is if they’re not very good. There is occasionally one or two fighters in a division that are better than everyone else (in this case Fury and AJ) and therefore it’s physically impossible for them to always be in fights that are 50/50 unless they only ever really fight each other.

 

He's another Fury fanboy, pal.

Slates drug dealers but can't get enough of the biggest cokehead in boxing!

 

Correct but Joshua's career has taken this to the extreme with a career full of puddings and Old Klit.

He has never dethroned a credible World Champion, has been matched in one sided zero risk fights his whole career except Old Klit yet he even somehow managed to lose to a little fatty.

I do not expect every fight to be 50/50 but his challenge for a World Title against Chuck Martin was 99/1 in his favour and nearly all his defences were at least 75/25 in his favour.

The Pudding Pulev farce the latest example in a long line.

I will give him credit when he steps up and takes high risk fights such as Fury and Wilder.

 

Used to hate Fury and the stinker v Wlad was the worst boxing contest ever seen.

The man has increasingly grown on me for what he has done since his comeback in the ring - having the balls to take the fight Team Humble would not take.

 

No you weren't, you were replying to me when I said both Joshua and Fury have a case for best CV in the division. I never mentioned Taylor. Read it back, you've tripped yourself up.

 

Just about everyone picked him to win
He was a massive favourite at the bookies.
After Wlad loses and is made to look completely inept, all the excuses come out.

Like I said, if Fury loses to AJ and makes those types of excuses.
Every loser can make excuses. Fans should give credit where it is due.